It’s so hard- having Emunah

amother

↑ OP

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 12:43 pm

amother Dahlia wrote:

Moshe Rabbenu got told No. He didn't go into Eretz Yisroel.
Dovid Hamelech got told No. His son died.

I know. Just wondering how Michael
Safdie says what he does

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 12:48 pm

amother OP wrote:

I know. Just wondering how Michael
Safdie says what he does

I find that most people would say that more davening, more tehelim, more avodah will lead to better results.

What's confusing to me is that I think it's somewhat obvious that this isn't so.

If we look at the people that have died or are suffering since RH, it's pretty obvious it's not the people that davened less.

We all want to know hashem's system. It's comforting and reassuring to believe we have some control. We say in davening on RH and YK that teshuva, tefila, and tzedakah will tear up the bad decree. Well, that gives us control. But unfortunately we don't see it at all. The people with the worst decrees aren't doing less of the above than anyone else. In fact often they are doing more.

amother

Currant ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:16 pm

amother OP wrote:

That’s not the mehalch though on Michael Safdie podcast and in the Emunah books

Those are wrong. Simple as that. It SOUNDS nice and pretty, but is obviously untrue when you look at the world.

If someone gets inspired and is willing to put in the work to cognitively disassociate from their lived reality because it helps them function, then great. But "just daven and hashem will give you what you want" is obviously incorrect.

amother

↑ Silver ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:29 pm

amother Eggshell wrote:

I dealt with infertility for 10 years and went through an emuna journey. I have learnt that Hashem gives me exactly what I need and I don't know what's best for me but need to trust Hashem.I focused on gratitude for what I have and came to a full acceptance that I may never have kids if that is what Hashem thinks it's best for me. I davened for a baby and asked Hashem to give me a baby if that is His will from me. My davening turned from demanding He grant me a child to surrendering if this is Hashem's will for my life.
One thing I learned is that Hashem is a loving G-d and He is not punishing me and I am not any less worthy to raise kids than anyone else out there.
Hugs OP, you are in a difficult situation and so hard to see the ppl around you getting things easily and never able to attain that. I really understand your pain💓

where did you learn from?..

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:31 pm

amother Currant wrote:

Ok, so we know the idea of "just daven and hashem will give you what you want" isn't correct.

What's troubled me is whether there is any correlation at all between davening and getting what we want/need.

Meaning is there any connection at all that would show that those who daven.....have fewer miscarriages? Or that those who daven suffer fewer tragedies?

amother

↑ Silver ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:33 pm

amother OP wrote:

Thanks. . I already have an old Sheitel I don’t think it’s gonna help to replace an old Sheitel with another old Sheitel. I’m not sure that make sense. But no I don’t have anyone would give me their old Sheitel even if it did. Thanks I’m not gonna start a thread for a Sheitel. I don’t want to ask here. Just venting my struggles

OK, just adding that I have bought on amazon for 20dollars, not sure how long it will last but looks OK for now

amother

↑ Silver ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:35 pm

amother Rose wrote:

of course there is
Not necessarily they won't won't have challenges for reasons we don't understand but tefilla always helps

amother

↑ Currant ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:48 pm

amother Rose wrote:

In Tanach Gemara and seforim? Yes. Many stories of people calling out to Hashem and getting answered.

In lived experience I can't help but think that it's either a free-for-all, might makes right, or Hashem not liking us. In fact, the latter is the only way I can square what chazal say with reality. Because there are plenty of sources in Chumash, Nach, and Chazal that talk about how bad Hashem is going to treat us if we sin, and since the world is set up for us to sin, it stands to reason that we'd get punished for it

amother

↑ Currant

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:52 pm

amother Azure wrote:

We don’t know hashem system but isn’t having a relationship with your spouse, parents, based on relationship with hashem?
It’s not that u have expectations of Him it’s that I can just talk to him and know and trust that he’s listening to me and that gives me tranquility even if He doesn’t fix it

If I tell my husband 20 times to stop a certain behavior that really hurts me, and he keeps doing it, while nodding that he hears me, he isn't caring and loving. That's mean and heartless and hurtful and is the exact opposite of a relationship

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 1:54 pm

amother Currant wrote:

Ok, but those days a few thousand years ago were different times than today. The greats from then could talk to hashem and often perform open miracles themselves.

And is hashem treating us badly today? I'd say that as an entire group Jews are safer, richer, more prosperous than at any time in the last 1000 years. Does that mean hashem is happier with us than any generation previously?

amother

↑ Silver ↓

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 2:10 pm

amother Currant wrote:

but it's for your good although we don't see why in this world

amother

↑ Rose

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 3:34 pm

amother Silver wrote:

but it's for your good although we don't see why in this world

And this is exactly why it's not a real relationship. The most important part of a relationship is understanding. From there we can communicate.

Because we don't understand anything hashem does or why he does it, I feel we don't have a relationship with him.

We have to serve him, daven, beg, and then not understand why anything is the way it is.

amother

↑ Silver

Mon, Dec 16 2024, 3:41 pm

amother Rose wrote:

a child doesn't understand why a parent injects him with medicine either..