Daniel Penny: Subway Hero? Or Racist Murderer?

↑ ora_43 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:51 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Jordan Neely has a long history of violent attacks and threatened to kill, saying he didn't care if he went to jail for life.

How dare you second guess how long the chokehold was!

I "dare" because there's no way to have a lawful society without, y'know, laws. Including laws about what is and isn't too long to hold someone in a chokehold and still claim self-defense.

↑ fmt4 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:52 am

imaofaprincess wrote:

So as one of the few frum people who deign to ride the subway with the common people (the horror!), my DH was on the subway tracks to witness the end of the incident while Penny was still on the case, restraining the deranged schizophrenic threatening person who had four seconds earlier threatened to k*ll ppl.

Penny's a hero who perhaps saved lives that day.

End of.

Huh? I’m merely responding to your post where you said that no one said that Penny was going to kill Neely. You said facts matter.

↑ nightingale1 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:52 am

I disagree that Neely was not a villain. Villains can have sad backstories. Doesn’t excuse them.

A mentally ill person who kills someone needs to be locked up. Maybe not in jail, in an institution. But they are not entitled to the same freedoms as everyone else.

naturelover ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:53 am

fleetwood wrote:

Penney didn't know Neeley background...

And the chokehold may have gone on too long..we have every right to question it..

Question it all you want but then don't expect anyone to come to your defense if you are the one in need.

↑ fmt4 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:53 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Neely, who threatened to murder.

Um he’s dead. He isn’t being exonerated of anything. He certainly got his punishment.

↑ fmt4 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:54 am

nightingale1 wrote:

But he didn’t kill anyone.

↑ ora_43 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:55 am

fleetwood wrote:

Penney didn't know Neeley background...

And the chokehold may have gone on too long..we have every right to question it..

Agree overall, but I think Neely's background is relevant even though he didn't know it, because it speaks to intent and to what he might have been perceiving in the moment. The fact that Neely really did violently attack people in the past (multiple people, violently enough to break bones, on/near the subway, and seriously how was he still on the subway????) suggests that when Penny perceived him as genuinely threatening, he wasn't imagining things.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:58 am

fmt4 wrote:

But he didn’t kill anyone.

We have to wait until someone is murdered before we lock them up???

Violent assaults, breaking bones is not enough for you, fmt4???

↑ nightingale1 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:58 am

fmt4 wrote:

But he didn’t kill anyone.

He threatened to. He’s dead, so it doesn’t matter, but if hypothetically he would have lived, I think charges would’ve been brought against him and he wouldn’t have been allowed out on the streets to terrorize people.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 12:00 pm

fmt4 wrote:

Um he’s dead. He isn’t being exonerated of anything. He certainly got his punishment.

But the leftists are saying it was an unjustified killing

When Neely threatened to murder.

so Neely is being exonerated by Fake News

↑ ora_43 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 12:04 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

We have to wait until someone is murdered before we lock them up???

Violent assaults, breaking bones is not enough for you, fmt4???

Read the post she was responding to. Someone thought Neely had killed before, fmt4 is just setting them straight.

↑ small bean

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 12:09 pm

When it comes to protecting others or self defense there isn't always time to way for law enforcement and we have to trust that good Samaritans are doing their best. They should always be protected by the law and thanked.

Im only talking legitimate concerns and not just everything someone thinks there's a threat.

↑ imaofaprincess

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 12:20 pm

fmt4 wrote:

Huh? I’m merely responding to your post where you said that no one said that Penny was going to kill Neely. You said facts matter.

you're confused or maybe replying to someone else Smile

What *I* said, was that the crowd of onlookers, including DH, were helping Penny, both physically and verbally, as they had just witnessed the awful threats against their lives, and viewed Penny as a hero, even in real time, and thus helped him restrain the deranged person until outside help arrived.

There are enough eyewitness interviews out there (it's free to do a search).

PS there were a few BLM outliers yelling.

Vs about 50 normal ppl helping.

☺️Have a great day.

↑ fmt4 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 12:48 pm

imaofaprincess wrote:

you're confused or maybe replying to someone else Smile

A poster wrote this…. “ He was also coughing up blood, while onlookers warned he was going to die if it continued“

You wrote that facts matter and that this isn’t true, that the onlookers were all helping. I posted about how actually if the facts matter then there is a video of an onlooker warning that he would die if he continued.

↑ fleetwood ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 12:56 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

When people are legitimately afraid for their lives we have no right to second guess them.

If it were YOU, you would done the same.

Nope....I wouldn't continue a chokehold once the guy is unconscious

↑ fleetwood ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 12:57 pm

naturelover wrote:

Question it all you want but then don't expect anyone to come to your defense if you are the one in need.

I'm.not questioning anything. I was responding to BB comment about his background...which was unknown to Penney...

shoshanim999 ↓

Sun, Dec 08 2024, 1:04 pm

fmt4 wrote:

Do you actually know anything about this case?

This has nothing to do with left wing or right wing sources. It’s a dispute between the medical examiner and the defense. The medical examiner says that he died from the chokehold. The defense said Neely died of a combination of factors, including a sickling crisis linked to his sickle cell trait, a schizophrenic episode, the struggle and restraint by Penny and K2 intoxication.
So they definitely say the chokehold was a factor, but not the only one.

Not everything is about left or right wing sources. Why unnecessarily politicize things? It’s rude and annoying.

Of course the case is about politics. Penny is being charged in NY because he's a white person and the dead person is black. Had this just been two blacks fighting it out, nobody would care.