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oneofakind

Today at 4:20 am

These are good short term solutions but for long term, he needs a profession to be able to support a family.
Accounting, programming, real estate management...he needs to find something he wants to do and start training.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Today at 4:21 am

amother Forsythia wrote:

OT, but does nobody see a problem with a social system that not only enables but actively encourages men to follow a path that leaves them with zero marketable skills?

Yes it’s really a problem. But the thing is he went to a good out of town high school that actually taught English , unlike Lakewood mesivtas. Also it seems like all the ‘uneducated’ chassidish men have jobs so there’s gotta be a way to get a job without an education.
Yes we chose that he learn in kollel for so many years. It’s our lifestyle, that we don’t regret. But he is really capable and it’s sad to see that it’s impossible to find an entry level job. I know you are bashing him and people like him but honestly I feel like bashing all the local business. Why can’t they hire guys that are entry level? They pay less and will need to train. What’s the big deal?

amother

DarkViolet ↓

Today at 4:23 am

Its hard OP. My husband was in and out of different jobs in different fields for 3 years before just starting his own service business. If he's willing to be lower paid while training and get a little dirty for a period of time, there's a high demand for handy men, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, etc as most people would prefer to higher a yid

amother

Ecru

Today at 4:23 am

What does DH want to do? When DH was leaving yeshiva to go work he took the pics course and it was well worth it. He learned a lot of skills in a relatively short time and also met many new people he could network with.

I'm not saying this is the case but Dh owns a business and often hires guys straight out of yeshiva. However some of the men he interviews come in after being in yeshiva for a while and already have a few kids and tuition to pay and tell DH they NEED minimum 100/150k to live. Sorry but the market is not in the right place for that right now.

amother

Catmint ↓

Today at 4:26 am

Would he be good at sales? Those are always entry level and some men thrive so much! And there are so many areas of sales that he may be able to find a topic he is passionate about

Food. Solar. Packaging and many many more

amother

↑ OP ↓

Today at 4:27 am

Ideally he wants to be at 100k but on interviews he says he’s looking for around 55-65k (as long as there’s room for growth)
He’s asking for pennies.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Today at 4:28 am

amother Catmint wrote:

Sales isn’t so much his type thanks

amother

Lime ↓

Today at 4:31 am

amother OP wrote:

Is anyone in a similar position? Is it impossible for someone straight out of yeshiva to find a job or is it just him??

It's not just him and my husband had this 10 years ago. Especially as you get older, sadly, companies are hesitant to hire people in their 30s who are newly on the market even the ones that are frum and understand why.
Perhaps besides for a computer course he might want to decide which field he's interested in take a course in that field like real estate, accounting or something similar.
Aside from that, there are always a lot less jobs for inexperienced men than there are for women, which is very sad, because I'm sure there are many men who would be happy to do the same nursing home billing for the same 80k that a woman does.

Keep at it, be super understanding, know its not only him & iyh Hashem will help.

amother

↑ DarkViolet ↓

Today at 4:32 am

amother OP wrote:

Why can’t they hire guys that are entry level? They pay less and will need to train. What’s the big deal?

The reason for this is because there's significantly more women in the workforce than men so a lot of offices are women only. Most likely, the middle management who are training new hires are women. There's much less kosher opportunity for men

amother

Blush

Today at 4:34 am

So sorry you’re going thru this. Dh is in the construction field. He has his own company bh! Right now this field is struggling tremendously. No one and I mean no one is doing any sort of money making things now. There are many companies that are taking jobs they aren’t seeing a profit at all but it keep money flowing so they do it. Many many people have been firing their employees bc there just isn’t any money to pay them. If your dh goes thru this route I’d suggest to start with something ppl need this minute like plumbing-pipe burst needs fixing.. another thing that has been taking off is the carwash from the vans. So many ppl want their cars cleaned vacuumed and shampooed while at work. It’s quick cash and no degree needed!

amother

Pear

Today at 4:34 am

Dh was in the same position a few years ago. He got a job for 40k and needed to be a real go getter and manage himself. BH I had a good job.
He left that job a couple of years ago and started out on his own and is doing well BH but he’s had to teach himself and learn from experience, and constantly go out if his comfort zone. Not easy at all.

amother

↑ OP

Today at 4:36 am

amother Lime wrote:

Thanks!

amother

↑ Lime ↓

Today at 4:39 am

amother Ecru wrote:

Yes- also this. Because the men are going to be kicked off of programs when they get a job they want a very high salary even higher than most of the girls are willing to start with at this point.

amother

↑ DarkViolet

Today at 5:07 am

amother OP wrote:

Ideally he wants to be at 100k but on interviews he says he’s looking for around 55-65k (as long as there’s room for growth)
He’s asking for pennies.

I'm a supervisor in a Lakewood office and I don't make $100k. Women getting entry level jobs are not getting higher than $50k. This is unrealistic for someone with no experience. I'm sorry that you're in the situation where you need that high of a salary but your husband should've been encouraged to go to work when you only needed an extra $40-50k

Even if you find a job that pays $65k from the start, it will be years before he's making $100k working for someone else and your expenses will theoretically grow by then as well

amother

↑ Honey

Today at 5:28 am

Echoing others , starting a business or doing something blue collar is definitely the way to go if he wants to make 100k in the next few years. Unfortunately entry level jobs are more like 50k if he has no real skills yet. Yes he can get a raise but getting a raise to 100k may take a decade, unless he has some specific marketable skills (like programming or accounting etc ).

When my husband went to work we also already had tuition bills and everything and he was having no luck. He ended up starting a business and is doing pretty well bh

amother

Hyacinth ↓

Today at 5:34 am

Specifically in Lakewood, the bus driving industry has work
Personal experience.
One can work in the companies- Jays, HT, etc and make 55-60k a year if you hustle. And there is down time from 10-1 daily.

Alternatively, I know people who go to the Chassidishe Mosdos, make 70-75k for a combination ft driving job but not nights plus something within the school during the day. ABA if you have a high school diploma, pullout, office stuff, etc.
The second option is even more valuable if you send your kids to one of those places and they can make a salary/tuition trade.

The downside is that driving doesn't have the growth and raises built in. It's hard and long. But it makes decent money for the now

amother

Red ↓

Today at 5:35 am

This is such a big challenge when men leave kollel, have big expenses, and no experience. Either you need to work for someone for low pay, start your own business which isnt simple or go to college and get a degree so you have greater earning potential. I hope he figures it out soon!

amother

Orange

Today at 5:38 am

YES the job market is bad right now. I'm looking for a job myself and struggling. I found PCS helpful in explaining to me what the market is like right now and what my options are. They also have job listings, though none worked out for me. That could be his next step.

amother

Olive

Today at 5:43 am

My husband had a very hard time finding a job many years ago not in lakewood and
it was a very stressful time for us. He was looking for a job that paid decently and had some growth potential. After not being happy with the options he choose to go to law school and bh got offered a job where he interned and been working there since and is happy. He isn't even a practicing law it just helped him get a good job.

amother

Alyssum ↓

Today at 5:44 am

amother OP wrote:

The job market is crazy tough now, so all inherent problems are compounded. But first, even though everything sounds discouraging now, we need to internalize that Hashem can do anything at anytime no matter the circumstances.

But to answer your question. It's a bigger deal to hire a man who is at entry level but whose expenses are far more than the offered salary. It's high likely that this will either be a temporary job or he will be asking for raises very quickly. Such a worker can't follow the normal growth patterns of a younger person. A boss is hesitant to invest time and training in such situations.

Also, because of the tough economy, many businesses are struggling, so they're looking to cut costs. Payroll is a huge burden, so many have turned to outsourcing. Unskilled labor is the easiest to outsource, so that goes first. The outsourced workers are willing to work for half (or less) than even the entry level workers in the US.

Your DH needs to gain skills, make himself more marketable. He needs to go into interviews being able to talk about how he is going to add value to the business. He is coming in at a disadvantage, and he needs to figure out how to present himself better. Is he proficient in Microsoft office, does he have good communication skills, does he have managerial capabilities, is he tech savvy, etc.? Is there anything he is really good at that he can build upon, or can he quickly become certified/get training for work skills?

And he needs to think about his long term goals? What field does he want to work in, which area does he want to grow in. If he is only focused on entry level jobs now, thats are most likely a dead end, and it comes across in the interviews. Employers can quickly sense when someone is trying to find their feet in the workplace, and that they're going to be their training wheels. In a tough economy as it is, when it's an employers job market, very few are willing to go for it.

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