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amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 6:50 pm

I want to reiterate that I have the highest respect for good, dedicated teachers who go above and beyond for their work. I'm not knocking teachers here. Not sure where that idea came from.

amother

Amaryllis ↓

Yesterday at 7:00 pm

amother OP wrote:

If the school is mostly hiring young girls, they get engaged, married , pregnant, all in a few years. And then many times her teaching career is done. Multiply this throughout the school year after year. That results in a lot of disregulation.
MO schools, for the most part, have this happening far less often.
I'll repeat again, I don't have all the answers, but this is certainly a valid topic, as some teachers here have admitted themselves.

This comment is incredibly presumptuous and frequently untrue. One of the schools I taught at gave me a hard time at the beginning about being a teacher as a single girl. I ended up teaching for close to 10 years before I got married and still have incredible coworkers there who are not yet married. Had the school insisted on not hiring them they would have missed out on years and years of quality staff. There are no guarantees in life. Yeshivish, MO does not guarantee when people get married, how fast they’ll get pregnant or how they’ll feel and what kind of teacher they will be. It would be much better for schools to focus on hiring teachers who are passionate and dedicated as everything else is completely out of their control.

amother

↑ Bubblegum ↓

Yesterday at 7:18 pm

amother Amaryllis wrote:

I have a feeling I know what school OP is talking about. And she's 100% right. I'm a product of that school and me and my siblings suffered from that.

It wasn't a pregnancy issue. The school adopted a policy of getting the cheapest teachers. Teachers started straight from seminary with no experience, degree, or student teaching. They taught for a few years and than got a better job. Some didn't even plan on staying in teaching, it was just a meanwhile job till they got married and had to make money or got their degree in another field. Every year your teacher got married or had a baby. Lucky was the class who someone got an "older" single of 22!

Still not the teacher's fault. If the pregnant one quits, now you have a seminary girl again.

amother

Clematis

Yesterday at 7:27 pm

amother OP wrote:

Little kids look up to the teacher , as they should, and consider what she says as ultimate truth. If she says or behaves negatively,or unfairly towards them, then yes, they take it personally.
I hope you're not a teacher of young kids.

You seem to take everything everyone does in their life as a personal matter meant to impact you directly- like a teacher having a personal life, Gd forbid. I'm sure you are a joy!

↑ BaltoMom65 ↓

Yesterday at 7:34 pm

amother OP wrote:

I can't "choose" to send to the other schools. That's a ridiculous assumption.
My kids do not fit in there, nor do I wish them to.
With all due respect, of course.

But you expect teachers to never get sick, get pregnant or have lives outside of their students? You expect them to abort? You sure you're not a Chinese Communist bot?

amother

Goldenrod ↓

Yesterday at 7:38 pm

If teachers are paid more they will have easier pregnancies?

Or not get married/ get sick/ have family needs/ simchos?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 8:34 pm

If ,as someone here said, the school is a business, and the product they are producing turns out defective due to negligent or incompetent employees, what should they do?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 8:38 pm

amother Bubblegum wrote:

Yes. This is the type of school I'm talking about. It's becoming the norm in my community.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 8:40 pm

If someone knows this is her trajectory, more or less, she should not go into teaching.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 8:42 pm

I'm talking about long term inadequacy,not the sniffles.
Don't misconstrue my words.

amother

Zinnia

Yesterday at 8:46 pm

amother OP wrote:

If someone knows this is her trajectory, more or less, she should not go into teaching.

What trajectory? Getting married and having kids??

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 8:48 pm

amother Zinnia wrote:

What trajectory? Getting married and having kids??

And then leaving

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 8:52 pm

amother Amaryllis wrote:

If they gave you a hard time as a single girl, this is not the type of school I'm referring to. If a single girl is putting her all into teaching, has proper experience and can remain in it for the long haul and be fully there most of the time, that's great.

amother

Molasses

Yesterday at 9:00 pm

Maybe we should go back to the 1870s.

amother

↑ Slateblue

Yesterday at 9:03 pm

amother OP wrote:

Yes. This is the type of school I'm talking about. It's becoming the norm in my community.

New teachers earn smaller salaries. Some schools hire only new teachers. Yes the children suffer.

amother

↑ Bubblegum

Yesterday at 9:06 pm

amother OP wrote:

If someone knows this is her trajectory, more or less, she should not go into teaching.

Still not the girl's fault. I doubt there are enough girls like willing to work at this type of pay forever. And then you get the subs or the last minute hires who are even worse. (Except for the girls who lie and tell the school they want to teach and secretly are working on degree in computers, but think it looks better for Shidduchim. Those girls I do hold responsible.)

It's an administrative decision. And that's who's responsible. And that's where the change will or won't come from. One of the reasons I believe my school got so out of hand was because they have no competition and don't care about what the parents think.

And it's not a pregnancy issue at all. It's a staff turnover issue.

amother

↑ Amaryllis

Yesterday at 9:14 pm

amother OP wrote:

If someone knows this is her trajectory, more or less, she should not go into teaching.

This is how the Christians do it. They have nuns teaching the children who are not allowed to marry or have children. I would think in our Frum schools we should be teaching our children to do differently, and that seeing a teacher go thru different life stages and still show up and do her job can actually be beneficial as opposed to a negative.

amother

↑ Sapphire

Yesterday at 9:23 pm

amother OP wrote:

If someone knows this is her trajectory, more or less, she should not go into teaching.

Your comments just keep getting better and better.

↑ teachkids

Yesterday at 9:24 pm

amother OP wrote:

If someone knows this is her trajectory, more or less, she should not go into teaching.

Huh? We only want teachers who want to stay single?

I’m a career teacher. Multiple degrees and all. I still have rough pregnancies (although I couldn’t have known that when I went to school for teaching) and have a bad year while sick every 3-4 years.

amother

↑ Goldenrod

Yesterday at 9:55 pm

amother OP wrote:

And then leaving

I don't get it. It sounded like you wanted them to leave if they are sick with pregnancy, rather than "make the children suffer".

Now the problem is that they marry, have children, and leave?

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