Do MOs / OOTs read Michpacha mag?

shabbatiscoming

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 12:42 pm

amother DarkOrange wrote:

I occasionally read Jewish action. They've had a section that says OU PROMOTES WOMEN!
I thought that was very condescending. Why do MO women need to be promoted? If they were equal to men, why are they different? Chareidi women don't need to be promoted because we Are secure in our role. We know we're not less than. Separate but equal.

Huh? Why does anyone need to be promoted? They do a good job, they get a raise or they change jobs within a company, thats getting promoted. Again, I think you are thinking way tooooo deeply about this and not in a good way.
This is lovely that they were showing exactly who was promoted. What is wrong with that?

amother

↑ DarkOrange ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 4:04 pm

amother Blonde wrote:

Separate but equal?? Seriously? Please list how we chareidi women are considered equal? We relegated to second class. The mere fact that we need to be continuously fed platitudes that we are considered equals is evidence alone that we aren't. Why else is there a need for it? You don't explain to the men that they're considered equals, right?

And be honest with yourselves. If pictures wouldn't be so powerful and have an impact on the story, then so much magazine real estate wouldn't be afforded for it. Why are there countless of gedolim pics and gedolim cards and similar being circulated in society, if a picture means so little?

We can brainwash ourselves all we want that not showing tznius pics of women has value. All it serves to push extremism into society, which adds to the Torah.

I was never fed a platitude and never made to feel unimportant. A women's role is important even though it's not public.

amother

↑ Blonde

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 4:30 pm

amother DarkOrange wrote:

I was never fed a platitude and never made to feel unimportant. A women's role is important even though it's not public.

Maybe you were never fed but you're posting some here for us women. (Or other posters did, I dont have patience to reread who said what.)

Can you provide examples in real life where we assure men that they are equal to us women?

↑ GLUE

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 6:00 pm

amother Daisy wrote:

That is Rashi's reading. But lots of commentators say different

See what the Chibbah Yetira writes

כנגדו שווה אליו כמו במסכת פאה (פרק א) ותלמוד תורה כנגד כולם עכ"ל, כי ברא את האשה במדרגת האדם ולא ככלי־לידה בלבד, ולכן כאן נאמר אשה מה שאין כן בפרק א' נאמר זכר ונקבה כי שם מיירי מצד גופם כהמשך הכתוב שם ויאמר להם אלקים פרו ורבו. הקב"ה ברא את האשה שווה לאדם כדי שתשפיע עליו, כי האדם אינו מושפע מבריה פחותה, ולכן כשהביא לו שאר בהמות וחיות ולאדם לא מצא עזר כנגדו. לא טוב היות האדם לבדו אפשר שיהיה טוב לאדם עם אשה ואפשר שלא, אבל ללא אשה חוסר הטוב הוא

Or the Gur Aryeh

זכה נעשה לו עזר וכו'. דאם לא כן "כנגדו" למה לי, והכי פירושו לפי זה – "אעשה לו עזר" שהוא עזר כנגדו, כי זה העזר אינו עזר כמו האב לבן או בן לאב, דלעולם לא יתנגדו זה את זה, אבל עזר זה יהיה "עזר כנגדו", כי האשה שהיא חשובה ושקולה כמו האיש – ומסייע לאיש, כי האיש מביא והאשה מתקנת לו – זה נקרא "עזר כנגדו". לכך אם לא זכה – היא כנגדו לגמרי. אבל האב לבן אינו כנגדו לעולם. כך יש לפרש לפי פשוטו, ואם לא היה כן לא היה מביא רש"י מדרש זה שאינו קרוב לפשוטו. ויש בזה דבר נעלם עוד, כי הזכר והנקיבה הם שני הפכים זה זכר וזאת נקיבה, אם זכה מתחברים בכח אחד לגמרי, כי כל שני הפכים מתאחדים בכח אחד כאשר הם זוכים, כלומר שהשם יתברך שעושה שלום בין ההפכים – מקשר ומחבר אותם, אבל כאשר אינם זוכים, אז לפי שהם הפכים גורם

Can you translate?

amother

↑ Daisy

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 6:57 pm

GLUE wrote:

Can you translate?

Sure

The first one on כנגדו

The same as the word in masechet Peah, that Talmud Torah is כנגד all of them. Because he created woman at the level of man and not just as a birthing vessel. So it uses the word אשה (Isha here) as compared to male and female, (like in bereshit perek א). Because she was created from his side and then said that they will multiply.
Hashem created woman equal to man so that she can influence him, because he is not influenced by lower (lesser) creatures. So when He brought other animals to him he didn't find an equal helper among them. "It is not good for man to be alone" it may be good for a man with a wife, or it may not be, but without a wife the lack of goodness is for certain.

And the Gur Aryeh

Why is it written כנגדו, against him? This is the reason. This isn't like the help between a father and son, or between son and father , where they will never oppose each other. But rather the woman is an ezer k'negdo, because the woman is as important and is considered as the man she helps the man. He brings things (acts) and she corrects him, this is the meaning of ezer knegdo . If he doesn't act correctly she is completely against him. But a father is never against a son. This is how it should simply be interpreted. Otherwise Rashi would not have brought the midrash.
There is also something hidden here. Because the are knegdo, male and female, if it is successful, they are joined by one power, because all two opposites are united in one force when they succeed, that is, that Hashem, who makes peace between the opposites - binds and connects them.

All mistakes mine.

singleagain

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:18 pm

amother Crocus wrote:

I don't know if it's true or not, but I have read that some of the male writer names in some of the frum magazines (don't know which ones) are actually women writing under a pseudonym. I wonder if that is true.

Many women have written under a male pseudonym or initials to conceal that she is a women. Simply bc historically women weren't seen as serious writers.

amother

↑ DarkOrange

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 10:06 pm

amother Blonde wrote:

I was never assured by a man that I'm equal to him. I never wondered if I was. It's so obvious that women and men have different but equally important roles that it doesn't need to be mentioned.

sara_s

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 10:54 pm

I'm Charedi, live in Israel (which I was shocked to hear some tri-state area folks once referred to as OOT, because to me E"Y is the center of the Jewish world) and I do subscribe to Mishpacha. I used to also sometimes write stories for them.

I do wish they had photos of women in the magazine. It saddened me to explain to my daughter at age 6 that Mishpacha Junior would print a photo of her brother, but not of her.

I saddens me that I read about women but have no idea what they look like, unlike with men.

I only learned what Rebbetzin Kanievtsky z"l looked like when I saw a video of her on YouTube, despite reading and hearing about her all the time.

I'm saddened that a small and extreme minority managed to subvert the entire Frum world with an extremist approach with absolutely no foundation in Halacha.