Going Rate of pay for 9yr old in NY

amother

↑ Snow

Thu, Oct 31 2024, 10:27 pm

amother Tanzanite wrote:

My daughter is that age k”h I can’t imagine her responsibly taking a job by anyone. And she is a mature girl, but a kid just the same.

When you hire 9-year-old you don't expect them to take real responsibility. Hey, when I hire a high schooler I don't expect that much responsibility either. That's why they get paid so much less.

One of the camps I sent to hired kids who couldn't have been older than 9 or 10 as assistants. (Don't judge me, I didn't have any other options. And my child has an amazing time and was well taken care of.) But the person in charge knows that the entire responsibility is on her. She can direct her assistance to do this or to do that the same way a teacher would direct the class of fourth graders. They're capable but she would never leave them alone. They don't carry true responsibility. But if that used to perfectly capable of pouring a drink or putting on a kids coach, taking out the art supplies or putting them away, etc. And if it's a job that requires them to absolutely show up no matter what, well you wouldn't hire them to begin with.

amother

Freesia ↓

Thu, Oct 31 2024, 10:30 pm

My 9 year old decided she's the bus monitor this year. Not only doesn't she get paid but she still has expenses. She gives prizes for the little girls who sit nicely at her own expense. I think she'd be happy with a dollar an hour if she'd work for pay. I'd never let her be responsible for someone else's kids when she's a kid herself. She can't even shampoo her long hair herself properly!

amother

Ghostwhite

Thu, Oct 31 2024, 10:38 pm

I don't know what everyone is up in arms about.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to "pay" a 9 yo.
I actually think it's an ideal age to start teaching a kid about earning and saving
My DD used to go to a neighbor after school once a week for an hour and a half to play with her 4 yo and 2yo. She would sit on the floor and play with them and read them books while the mother was making supper and tidying up. She got paid $5.
My DD felt like she was on top of the world. And we talked about spending some of the money for something she wanted now and putting some of the money aside to save up for something later

amother

↑ OP

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 5:56 am

amother Freesia wrote:

where does she get "her own money" from

Elfrida ↓

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 6:19 am

amother Ghostwhite wrote:

My DD felt like she was on top of the world. And we talked about spending some of the money for something she wanted now and putting some of the money aside to save up for something later

And some for tzedaka?

notshanarishona

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 7:19 am

I would never send my kids to a camp with Jc that young . A9 year old doesn’t belong being w counselor. Mothers helper is likely the only job you can find and even that likely only someone who knows her well. I don’t think a 9 year old should ask for more than $2-3 an hour.

amother

Thistle

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 7:23 am

notshanarishona wrote:

Agree. And a mother's helper at that age needs a nearby adult who is readily available and checking in every now and then.

amother

↑ Ruby ↓

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 9:46 am

Elfrida wrote:

And some for tzedaka?

We were told to wait until bas mitzvah to give maaser. And at bas mitzvah there are different cheshbons of what to give on the past.

giftedmom ↓

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 9:52 am

amother OP wrote:

I think it's cultural, I could totally understand why some think it's crazy to "work" at that age. Some families let kids be kids until they are 20± it's old. For reference my daughter does want to earn money. Both for a fundraising and for herself. So far she has just been selling stuff, and she has helped with other mothers kids. I know as a mother of a handful 3 under 5 it's often helpful for another just a little older to just come over and play to occupy them for an hour or two. In my neighborhood I definitely see counselors that are 10 so I was curious what they made (sounds like almost nothing)

It’s cultural as in Israeli kids are more independent. But in NY? Na

↑ Elfrida

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 10:06 am

amother Ruby wrote:

We were told to wait until bas mitzvah to give maaser. And at bas mitzvah there are different cheshbons of what to give on the past.

If that's what you were told, then I imagine it has a solid basis.

Even without a chova, and not necessarily calculating maaser, I would think it's good chinuch to child who is old enough ti earn money that they should practice giving some to tzedakah.

amother

Apple

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 10:06 am

amother Ruby wrote:

We were told to wait until bas mitzvah to give maaser. And at bas mitzvah there are different cheshbons of what to give on the past.

Actual maaser, yes. Many hold that under bas mitzvah not to give.

But I think that poster was saying that in general it's good to get kids into the habit of putting some for savings, some for spending, some for tzedaka.
To teach kids that the money is not theirs, it's Hashem's and we need to share it with those who need it.

amother

↑ Ruby

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 10:10 am

amother Apple wrote:

We give maaser on their full bank account by their bas mitzvah - all earnings and gifts - so I have them just wait.

amother

↑ Oleander ↓

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 10:12 am

amother Peru wrote:

My neighbor asks if my 11 yr old could mothers help from time to time. She asked what she could pay her. I said absolutely nothing- she can do a chesed for a neighbor!

My mother (and other mothers I know), never let us take money when babysitting for family or neighbors, and we were so resentful. We weren't interested in being a free babysitter, even if my mother wanted us to do chesed. We can't force our kids to do chesed of our choice. They should be able to choose their own cheseds.

amother

Holly

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 10:29 am

My daughter is 11. She was a mother's helper for my niece once a week for an hour or 2 when she was 9. She didn't get paid, but they gave her treats from their house. She loved the responsibility of being in charge (she's my 2nd to youngest) while my niece made supper or laid down for a few min. She did it last year for a couple teachers a few times here and there and she did it a few times this year for a different niece. I don't force it. She wanted to.

So in terms of pay I can't help. But for all those who say 9 shouldn't work, it is good for some of these kids.

amother

↑ Freesia

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 12:45 pm

amother OP wrote:

where does she get "her own money" from

By "her own expense" I meant her junk prize bin. But she happens to have a few dollars from chanuka and purim. Or from the tooth fairy.

amother

Currant

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 1:13 pm

For those of you who are against kid “working”, do your kids have any money of their own? Do you give them an allowance?
I just can’t imagine not being allowed to make any spending choices until they’re an adult.

↑ giftedmom

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 1:19 pm

amother Currant wrote:

I have allowance for a time. It got very complicated so I stopped. My kids get Chanukah and Purim gelt. My older boys get an obscene amount actually. Also when I give them canteen money in camp they can keep what they don’t spend.

↑ mommyhood

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 2:30 pm

amother Currant wrote:

Why jump up that conclusion, we’re discussing a 9 year old. You’d likely get very different responses if you asked about a 12 year old.

amother

↑ Oleander

Fri, Nov 01 2024, 2:32 pm

amother Currant wrote:

I'm not against a child working. I'm against a little kid working. Every age has it's stage. Not allowing a 9 year old child to work, doesn't mean that we don't allow our children to make spending choices until they're an adult.... why do people have such an extreme way of thinking?