who are you tricking ?!

Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 10:38 am

greenfire wrote:

oh come on ... talking loshon hora and eating cholov yisroel are not comparable ...

Why?

↑ Ruchel ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 10:41 am

Crayon210 wrote:

greenfire wrote:

oh come on ... talking loshon hora and eating cholov yisroel are not comparable ...

Why?

Find me one rabbi who allows lashon hara.
I can find you dozens of very frum rabbis who say in modern countries regular dairy is ok.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 10:44 am

greenfire wrote:

because one is a slip of the tongue and the other you choose or not ...

An aveira is an aveira. A taiva is a taiva. Yes, it is easier for us to 'forgive' someone who speaks lashon hara than someone who eats something they shouldn't, but a taiva is still a taiva, and anyone who overcomes and does the correct thing is to be applauded even for one success.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 10:45 am

Ruchel wrote:

Crayon210 wrote:

greenfire wrote:

oh come on ... talking loshon hora and eating cholov yisroel are not comparable ...

Why?

Find me one rabbi who allows lashon hara.
I can find you dozens of very frum rabbis who say in modern countries regular dairy is ok.

Since Greenfire's daughter is taking on Cholov Yisroel, obviously she thinks it's the correct thing to do, so bringing dozens of very frum rabbis who say otherwise doesn't change that in this particular case, CY and LH are very comparable.

↑ Ruchel ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 10:46 am

Crayon210 wrote:

Ruchel wrote:

Crayon210 wrote:

greenfire wrote:

oh come on ... talking loshon hora and eating cholov yisroel are not comparable ...

Why?

Find me one rabbi who allows lashon hara.
I can find you dozens of very frum rabbis who say in modern countries regular dairy is ok.

If she's taking it on forever, good. If it's for a few days, to me it's weird.
I don't think comparing a chumra and a halacha is possible anyway.

↑ greenfire ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 10:49 am

it is NOT an avaira to eat cholov stam !!! don't compare avairas to chumras ...

and dd is merely doing so for aseres y'mei tshuva ...

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:05 am

Cholov Yisroel is NOT A CHUMRA.

We've been through this a thousand times.

Cholov Stam is a KULA.

Again, Cholov Yisroel is the basic halacha. Cholov Stam is a KULA, which means that some rabbonim hold that being lenient in this regard is okay.

I'm not talking about who gets a mitzvah or an aveira for what milk they drink. I'm talking about what the halacha is and what the kula is. There is no chumra in this case.

In terms of keeping CY for 10 days, it's not any different than deciding not to speak lashon hara for 10 days, or 10 hours, or 10 minutes. You get s'char for doing the right thing for the amount of time that you do it, even if you know that you will do the wrong thing at a later date.

↑ octopus ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:08 am

ok. let's get something clear here. Chalav stam is assur. Rav Moshe Feinstein zt'l held that "chalav ha'companies" (yes, that's the term), (what we like to call "chalav stam"), is okay to rely on.

If you're going to talk halacha then get your phraseology straight.

↑ greenfire ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:11 am

so fine even if it's a KULA - there is a reason for that and we rely on it so DO NOT call it treif !!!

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:14 am

octopus wrote:

Yes, I know what R' Moshe called it, thanks. The terms used today are Cholov Stam and Cholov Akum, so I don't insist on using terms that for whatever reasons no one uses.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:14 am

greenfire wrote:

so fine even if it's a KULA - there is a reason for that and we rely on it so DO NOT call it treif !!!

You rely on it. Your daughter has decided that for a set time she'd like to try out not relying on it.

I didn't call it treif. What

↑ Ruchel ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:20 am

I think what green means is
-what these days?
-if she thinks she should not rely on it, why only 10 days?

↑ octopus ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:21 am

If it were just casual conversation, I wouldn't care. Do want you want. Just that chalav stam is always assur. People who eat "chalav stam" are not really eating chalav stam. In Europe everyone ate chalav yisrael because there was no phenomena of commercial production with government regulations + hashgacha.
Got that off my chest. now I can sleep tonight.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:22 am

Ruchel wrote:

I think what green means is
-what these days?

It's a great time to take on something extra during the 10 yemei teshuva.

Quote:

-if she thinks she should not rely on it, why only 10 days?

She thinks it's better not to rely on it, but she's not able to for the rest of the year, so she at least tries during these ten special days.

↑ Crayon210 ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:23 am

octopus wrote:

Okay. I hope you feel better now. Confused

By the way, this is just casual conversation.

↑ Lady Godiva ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:25 am

octopus wrote:

Just that chalav stam is always assur. People who eat "chalav stam" are not really eating chalav stam.

Are you sure you have it right? I was under the impression that chalav stam is from milk we know is cow's milk but not watched by a Jew and chalav akum is milk of "ovde cochavim umazalot", from an unknown source...

↑ Ruchel ↓

Fri, Oct 03 2008, 11:27 am

Quote:

It's a great time to take on something extra during the 10 yemei teshuva.

But green says it's just for 10 days

Quote:

She thinks it's better not to rely on it, but she's not able to for the rest of the year, so she at least tries during these ten special days.

I think I see. But if she really thinks so, unless she lives VERY out of town (and even then, there are shluchim who keep it in the middle of nowhere), I think it's weird not to take it on always.