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amother
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 Tue, Oct 15 2024, 1:18 am
Second time in less than 3 weeks. He hasn't wet the bed since he was a little kid but suffers from encopresis. Though he claims he's pooping regularly so that shouldn't be the cause anyways (and never caused him to wet the bed even when he didn't go #2 for much longer).
He is ASD. Not in school, home with me driving me in sane all day, so no sx abuse possible.
Ideas?
Yes I will take him to the pediatrician.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 15 2024, 1:19 am
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You sure it’s urine not semen? Many kids this age think they wet the bed when they have a wet dream.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 15 2024, 1:22 am
| amother Chestnut wrote: | | You sure it’s urine not semen? Many kids this age think they wet the bed when they have a wet dream. |
Last time I thought it was spermarche and made DH go check. The moment he lifted it the rank smell of pee started wafting through the air. This time he moved in bed and the smell of pee filled the hall.
Yes it is pee.
Also DD climbed into his bed in the middle of the night (we don't allow of course but she doesn't listen and she climbs in when we are fast asleep) and woke up with her nightgown and entire front soaked through. Semen doesn't come in such large quantities.... (Maybe she will learn never to climb into his bed again...)
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tweety1
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Tue, Oct 15 2024, 1:44 am
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Test for strep. You might be surprised.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 15 2024, 2:29 am
Stupid questions but is he going bathroom before he goes to bed? Is he drinking too much in the evening? Dd 12 wets the bed sometimes and these tend to be the factors.
IME the pediatrician isnt much help, do you see a urologist at all?
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TwinsMommy
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Sat, Oct 19 2024, 11:27 pm
you said he suffers from enco..... my daughter is almost 18 and had such bad enco that we did a C tube for 6 years and her megacolon and lack of RAIR was still so severe that we did an ileostomy. Just establishing myself as the imamother poop expert--- lol.
So....... EVEN if he says he's pooping a normal amount every day--- and EVEN IF he has enough RAIR to get to a toilet most of the time (my daughter never did). IT COULD BE NEW poop sliding AROUND an impaction. We didn't know it was happening. My daughter pooped in a pullup 3 or 4 times a day--- until it was 5 or 6 times a day... .and then it was between 10 and 17 times a day. All new and sliding around the impaction which never resolved. (disimpacted, re-imapacted over and over over many years) NOT to scare you, but to tell you that it's really hard to know how severe an impaction is in an enco kid without regular KUB xrays. And a severe impaction can affect the bladder especially at night when the body is relaxed.
You say he also has ASD---- is there any possibility this is on purpose to get attention or just exhaustion in the morning and not wanting to get out of bed? My kids both have ASD (in addition to my daughter's physical megacolon and ileostomy) and my son when he was WAY past daytime toilet training and still was waking up wet every morning I had a gentle talk with him about how he's in control and I simply asked him if there's any chance he's wetting himself on purpose because he's too lazy to get out of bed in the morning and the pullup makes it easy.... he said..... "you know, it's a distinct possibility!". That's the day I took away the pullup and he NEVER AGAIN wet the bed--- astounding!
One more thing--- I had a genetic thing which caused bed wetting and an alarm helped me as a tween. it goes on or under the sheet (can't remember which) but when it gets wet, it rings and wakes the user up. Gets the body used to waking up when the bladder is full.
TLDR: do a KUB if it's been more than a couple months, and don't put him in pullups and have a talk with him about the wetting. Also look into the alarm. Hatzlacha!
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amother
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Sat, Oct 19 2024, 11:30 pm
| amother OP wrote: |
Also DD climbed into his bed in the middle of the night (we don't allow of course but she doesn't listen and she climbs in when we are fast asleep) and woke up with her nightgown and entire front soaked through. Semen doesn't come in such large quantities.... (Maybe she will learn never to climb into his bed again...) |
Can we take a moment? This shouldn't just be a side note
PLEASE TAKE CARE OF THIS
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amother
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Sun, Oct 20 2024, 12:30 am
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Check if he has pinworms? Causes bedwetting...
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amother
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Sun, Oct 20 2024, 1:59 am
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I hope this situation isn't anything too bad, but if you've exhausted all of the normal possibilities, you may want to check for seizures. That was the cause in our case, although he was several years younger.
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amother
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Sun, Oct 20 2024, 7:41 am
| amother Fuchsia wrote: | Can we take a moment? This shouldn't just be a side note
PLEASE TAKE CARE OF THIS |
How do you propose doing that? Locking her door so she and her sister can't go to the bathroom if they need to in the middle of the night? Locking his door so he can't go if he needs to? Putting spikes in his bed so that she won't lie down in it? Setting an alarm for every half hour so that one of us gets up to check if she got in with him, and neither of us will be functional from extreme exhaustion?
Please do tell.
BTW yes she is the one getting in with him. He doesn't always like it but is usually amenable. Just to clarify. The stopping it has to be on her end.
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amother
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Sun, Oct 20 2024, 7:42 am
| TwinsMommy wrote: | you said he suffers from enco..... my daughter is almost 18 and had such bad enco that we did a C tube for 6 years and her megacolon and lack of RAIR was still so severe that we did an ileostomy. Just establishing myself as the imamother poop expert--- lol.
So....... EVEN if he says he's pooping a normal amount every day--- and EVEN IF he has enough RAIR to get to a toilet most of the time (my daughter never did). IT COULD BE NEW poop sliding AROUND an impaction. We didn't know it was happening. My daughter pooped in a pullup 3 or 4 times a day--- until it was 5 or 6 times a day... .and then it was between 10 and 17 times a day. All new and sliding around the impaction which never resolved. (disimpacted, re-imapacted over and over over many years) NOT to scare you, but to tell you that it's really hard to know how severe an impaction is in an enco kid without regular KUB xrays. And a severe impaction can affect the bladder especially at night when the body is relaxed.
You say he also has ASD---- is there any possibility this is on purpose to get attention or just exhaustion in the morning and not wanting to get out of bed? My kids both have ASD (in addition to my daughter's physical megacolon and ileostomy) and my son when he was WAY past daytime toilet training and still was waking up wet every morning I had a gentle talk with him about how he's in control and I simply asked him if there's any chance he's wetting himself on purpose because he's too lazy to get out of bed in the morning and the pullup makes it easy.... he said..... "you know, it's a distinct possibility!". That's the day I took away the pullup and he NEVER AGAIN wet the bed--- astounding!
One more thing--- I had a genetic thing which caused bed wetting and an alarm helped me as a tween. it goes on or under the sheet (can't remember which) but when it gets wet, it rings and wakes the user up. Gets the body used to waking up when the bladder is full.
TLDR: do a KUB if it's been more than a couple months, and don't put him in pullups and have a talk with him about the wetting. Also look into the alarm. Hatzlacha! |
What is a KUB?
I don't think it's for attention, the first time he tried to hide it.
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amother
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Sun, Oct 20 2024, 7:42 am
| amother Dandelion wrote: | | I hope this situation isn't anything too bad, but if you've exhausted all of the normal possibilities, you may want to check for seizures. That was the cause in our case, although he was several years younger. |
OMG I really really hope not....
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amother
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Sun, Oct 20 2024, 9:08 am
| amother OP wrote: | How do you propose doing that? Locking her door so she and her sister can't go to the bathroom if they need to in the middle of the night? Locking his door so he can't go if he needs to? Putting spikes in his bed so that she won't lie down in it? Setting an alarm for every half hour so that one of us gets up to check if she got in with him, and neither of us will be functional from extreme exhaustion?
Please do tell.
BTW yes she is the one getting in with him. He doesn't always like it but is usually amenable. Just to clarify. The stopping it has to be on her end. |
I didn't propose anything but I'm pointing out that HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THIS SHOULD BE YOUR QUESTION
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amother
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Sun, Oct 20 2024, 9:19 am
| amother Fuchsia wrote: | | I didn't propose anything but I'm pointing out that HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THIS SHOULD BE YOUR QUESTION |
It's not the point of this post and other than punishing her there's not much what to do. She will need to understand that she can't do this. Hopefully being soaked in his pee will help that goal.
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TwinsMommy
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Mon, Oct 21 2024, 11:15 pm
| amother OP wrote: | What is a KUB?
I don't think it's for attention, the first time he tried to hide it. |
KUB = Kidney, Ureter, Bladder. It's the go to xray for most megacolon and GI cases. Ask your GI if that's the type of xray he's getting--- I'm sure it is. Just make sure to do it regularly as you treat the enco to see if he's getting re-impacted.
Can he lock his door from the inside so HE can get OUT when he needs to, but SHE can't get IN?
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amother
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Tue, Oct 22 2024, 6:38 am
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My son has “ intentionals” I refuse to call them accidents. They are rage behaviors and he is in control
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TwinsMommy
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Tue, Oct 22 2024, 3:56 pm
| amother Sage wrote: | | My son has “ intentionals” I refuse to call them accidents. They are rage behaviors and he is in control |
I thought that about my daughter too at the beginning and middle of her enco experience. Are you talking about enco or enuresis though? either way, make sure you're doing KUB xrays often enough to treat whatever physical may be happening because I truly thought my daughter was in control but she failed manometries and ended up with an ostomy. In kindergarten when she'd never put a #2 in the toilet the school nurse told us to "rule out" something physical and I truly wasn't convinced it was physical at all. Boy was I wrong.
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