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if you have only one oven, is it
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icedcoffee
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 Tue, Sep 24 2024, 3:54 pm
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Our Sephardic rabbi holds that we can use it for everything without double wrapping or kashering in between, so that's what we do.
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amother
Tan
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 4:39 pm
Meaty.
If I ever make pareve is usually after 24 hours if it being used for meat.
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GLUE
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 4:49 pm
When I had one oven I used it for Pareve and everything Meat was cooked in a crackpot or on the stove.
I did have a toaster for milk food.
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amother
Butterscotch
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 4:50 pm
| amother Navy wrote: | How in the world can you use it for all 3?
Really asking. Is this a normally accepted thing in frum circles? Do you just double wrap everything?
(Obviously not paskining from imamother) |
I've only had one oven my whole married life (20+) years. As per our rav, as long as the oven is clean and we burn it out in between uses, we can use the oven for any type of food. So every morning, the first thing I do when I walk into the kitchen is turn it on to high heat for at least 30 minutes. That way it's available for whatever I end up cooking or baking that day.
For Shabbos I always make everything pareve before I do anything fleishigs. For a YT where we have milchig meal(s), we make anything milchig a little ahead of time at night after a milchig meal when the oven is already milchigs. When we hear food up on YT we double wrap everything since we can't really burn the oven out in between meals.
Iy"H we will be doing extensive home renovations soon, including expanding the kitchen, and we will finally have two ovens. That will be a game changer!
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flowerpower
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 4:50 pm
| scruffy wrote: | | Ask your LOR, I grew up with separate ovens and was surprised at his psak. My rav is very yeshivish. |
Yes. Ask your own lor
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PinkFridge
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 6:13 pm
| gr82no wrote: | The people who use it for milchigs and fleishig, it sounds like you kasher it in between.
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Or wait.
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PinkFridge
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 6:14 pm
| amother Peachpuff wrote: | https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hamilton-Beach-Countertop-Oven-with-Convection-and-Rotisserie-Baking-Broil-Extra-Large-Capacity-Stainless-Steel-31108/120169727
$85 from Walmart
It's not perfect, you need to rotate pans if you want the food to cook evenly, but I don't do that much milchig cooking so it's fine for me. |
I love this. It recently died. I haven't seen it so cheap. Thanks.
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amother
Oak
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 6:46 pm
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Meat and parve. Toaster oven and microwave for dairy.
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amother
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 11:14 pm
| naomi6 wrote: | | What's Ben Yoma? |
Used within 24 hours
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amother
Bubblegum
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 11:18 pm
My neighbor has one oven in a tiny kitchen. She usually it strictly for parve. She has a separate toaster oven for milchigs and a microwave/convection oven on the counter for fleishigs.
Personally, I would use the oven for fleishigs and a toaster oven for milchigs.
Is there something you bake often that has to be completely parve?
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amother
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 11:25 pm
| amother Ebony wrote: | In the olden days no one had more than one oven. Every family did this.
It is normally accepted in frum circles.
You need to keep track of your oven is clean and if it is a Ben yoma ..
I do self clean my oven more frequently
So it’s annoying and a very useful luxury to have more than one oven.
But if you speak to a rav he will probably tell you the same. |
Not "everyone did it"
It's not "normally accepted in frim circles "
No not necessary "if you speak to a rav he will prob tell you the same "
Modern ovens are not the ovens spoken about in gemara. They are very different than wood or coal burning ovens.
There are very different psak halacha on modern ovens there have always been since their invention. Not all rabbanem will pasken the same
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amother
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Tue, Sep 24 2024, 11:31 pm
I am spoiled and have three ovens (double oven on one side that I use for milchigs and pareve) but this thread is eye opening to me. I grew up with only fleishigs in our house we had two ovens, dishwashers, stoves, and even refrigerators on our kitchen ALL fleishigs. I never used the halachos of meat and dairy in real life and when I did my kitchen I put three sinks and three ovens (2 stoves) to eliminate shailos.
It's amazing what you can do within halacha. I was actually just told I can swap my fleishig s
Dishwasher to dairy as long as j buy a new filter.
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