DEI and racism. | Imamother

↑ sushilover ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 7:12 pm

ally wrote:

But your story is exactly the point. Without "DEI", the Chinese patients were not having their needs met. So your definition of qualified, didn't help them. Of course, noone should be hiring people that cannot perform. But diversity is more than just having a colorful department. It allows the needs of different minorities to be met as well.

What needs are met by having Chinese nurses?

↑ DrMom

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 7:36 pm

amother Mocha wrote:

I work in a large hospital whose hr proudly tells everyone they hire nurses to reflect the diverse culture they serve. So they try to have nurses of every minority. Which generally is great. But a few years ago we started getting more Chinese patients and someone suddenly realized we have almost no Chinese nurses. The next group of hires was almost all Chinese. Of the 5 I worked with 2 were good and 3 were not. 1 barely spoke English, had such a heavy accent neither her coworkers or patients could understand her..
Dei needs to be applied with common sense..

If the hospital was looking for nurses who speak Chinese so that their staff can better communicate with patients, I don't see how this is applying DEI. They were looking to hire people with a particular skill.

I think it would have been better to hire bilingual nurses, as opposed to exclusively Chinese-speaking employees.

Anyhow, most DEI policies don't consider Asians as target groups. Hence the Harvard lawsuit.

↑ sushilover ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 6:54 am

ally wrote:

Communication, cultural sensitivity, comfort of the patients.

Communication: hire nurses who speak Chinese. Race is irrelevant.
Cultural sensitivity: hire nurses with experience with Chinese communities. Race is irrelevant.
Comfort of patient: Do you really feel more comfortable with white nurses? What about jewish nurses r"l who have no understanding or respect for our culture?

When my last baby was born, my favorite nurse was a Jamaican woman who knew everything about kosher and Shabbos. Her race was irrelevant.

↑ dancingqueen ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 8:00 am

sushilover wrote:

Why is it offensive to call someone a DEI hire, but not offensive for employers to openly say that they are hiring people who match DEI standards?

Is this really confusing? Don’t we learn in kindergarten not to call people names? It’s one thing for companies to state that they hope to have a diverse workforce. It’s another thing to tell someone that they only got hired for their skin color. Imagine if your boss was Jewish and someone called you a Jewish hire. It’s rude and making assumptions.

And for those not understanding why there is a need for Chinese nurses or male teachers. Think about how many frum women want a frum dr who understand niddah etc.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 8:40 am

dancingqueen wrote:

I don't think this makes sense.

If DEI is good than people should have no problem being a DEI hire.

The fact that people object to being g called a DEI hire proves DEI is bad.

DEI = Didn't Earn It.

And people DIE because of DEI. A Trump supporter was killed because of incompetent DEI hires in the secret service.

We don't want DEI doctors, airline pilots, engineers or firefighters. People will DIE.

But not the Elites - they will get the best qualified.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 9:19 am

dancingqueen wrote:

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We have a signed executive order in this country to implement DEI when hiring. And then when we hire a DEI candidate we aren't allowed to say it's DEI?

↑ Cheiny ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 9:21 am

amother OP wrote:

I find there's 2 kinds of people that support DEI. There's the mentally ill woman in the video who says we should never correct a black person, and then there's the person who is coming from a good place and actually wants to apply it in a way where minorities get a small push forward.

Meaning if there are 2 basically even candidates, the minority would be chosen. The people who believe this have there hearts in the right place but they just don't realize that won't be the way it's applied. They are being naive.

When big companies like Disney or united want to hire hundreds of people, they will satisfy their DEI quota regardless of the discrepancies among candidates. Just like affirmative action. Minorities are getting placed in universities over far more qualified minorities.

It’s not a “small push forward,” it’s many times a less qualified candidate getting priority over someone more qualified strictly because of their skin color or ethnicity. That’s simply discrimination. It should be based on merit alone. Plenty of people from minority groups have gone far in their careers, because they worked hard and deserved it, and they didn’t need to be given preference over anyone else. Others can do the same. This DEI causes more division and more racism.

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↑ Cheiny ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 9:27 am

dancingqueen wrote:

You’re contradicting yourself. If the term DEI is offensive then so is the practice.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 9:33 am

dancingqueen wrote:

How is saying ‘DEI’ calling someone a name??? Are the terms diversity, equity and inclusion in and of themselves nasty? No, but you yourself are inadvertently admitting that the entire practice is negative, discriminatory and insulting to those it’s meant to benefit and prioritize, because it’s telling them they can’t advance on merit, they can only do so by using their race or ethnicity to get an advantage.

↑ ally ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 9:51 am

sushilover wrote:

I give up. You have clearly made up your mind and are not interested in a conversation.

↑ ally ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 9:52 am

amother OP wrote:

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We have a signed executive order in this country to implement DEI when hiring. And then when we hire a DEI candidate we aren't allowed to say it's DEI?

Not when you are using it to claim that any non white male is incompetent.

↑ sushilover ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 9:53 am

ally wrote:

I give up. You have clearly made up your mind and are not interested in a conversation.

I think racism is wrong.

I genuinely wasn't trying to shut down conversation. I was pointing out that you shouldn't generalize based on race.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 10:48 am

ally wrote:

Not when you are using it to claim that any non white male is incompetent.

If you hire on DEI then any non white hire will be regarded with suspicion. and this is justified.even non whites will be afraid to use a non white professional. DEI hurts non whites and females making people less likely to use them

if you say you hire on merit alone without racial or gender discrimination than people will have more confidence in non white and female professionals.

↑ sushilover ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 11:05 am

dancingqueen wrote:

If my boss had a good reason to hire a jewish employee, I wouldn't be insulted if later I was referred to as the jewish employee.
If she did not have a good reason and was only hiring jewish employees out of racism or to look good, I might get insulted to be called the Jewish employee.

And about frum doctors: religious is not a a DEI criteria. Race, gender, and orientation are.
You point out that we want frum doctors. That is true. But again, race and ethnicity are irrelevant. We would all prefer a frum Chinese doctor than a jewish born doctor who doesn't respect our traditions.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 11:19 am

ally wrote:

Not when you are using it to claim that any non white male is incompetent.

I think you hit on the exact point we disagree on.

You are taking for granted that every company will use DEI in a very small and insignificant way. You're saying that when there are 2 almost equally qualified candidates, DEI tells us to hire the minority.

Why do you assume this? I mentioned before Karine Jean Pierre. Forget her politics. When I look at her, she is a classic DEI hire. She was terrible in front of the camera. She would constantly look down at her notes to answer basic questions. She looked lost and confused- But she's a black, gay woman. So she was hired even though she was unqualified.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 11:46 am

Another example of an Unqualified DEI hire was the President of Harvard.
She was a plagiarist which would get a student expelled but because she is a black woman and extreme leftist she gets to be President of Harvard.
This is DEI.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 11:53 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Excellent point. I'm realizing that the other side doesn't see the reality on the ground. They have this fantasy image of what DEI is that is very different than what's actually happening.

↑ ally ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 12:13 pm

amother OP wrote:

Excellent point. I'm realizing that the other side doesn't see the reality on the ground. They have this fantasy image of what DEI is that is very different than what's actually happening.

Lol. I am literally telling you my experience on the ground and you don't want to hear it.