DEI and racism. | Imamother

↑ sushilover ↓

Sun, Jul 28 2024, 9:24 am

Queen Of Hearts wrote:

It's basically racism in reverse.

Do I have to be afraid to fly on my next flight if I know my pilot was a DEI hire and possibly not as qualified or experienced as the white male guy who was passed over Only Because of The Color of His Skin and Gender.

And what's gender anyway? Can't a man be a woman? And a woman be a man ( which for some reason is not as popular Scratching Head

)?

Libs basically contradict themselves all the time to suit their agenda.

I agree with you, but it's important to know that there is no such thing as reverse racism.
Denying someone a job based on their skin color is racism- not reverse racism. Unless, of course, you have solid proof that their skin color impacts their performance.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Tue, Jul 30 2024, 12:17 pm

Is this racism?

'White Women For Kamala' speaker tells viewers to never correct Black women: 'Put our listening ears on!'
The TikTok influencer warned, 'As White women, we need to use our privilege to make positive changes'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/.....rs-on

amother

↑ OP ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 5:46 pm

Cheiny wrote:

I find there's 2 kinds of people that support DEI. There's the mentally ill woman in the video who says we should never correct a black person, and then there's the person who is coming from a good place and actually wants to apply it in a way where minorities get a small push forward.

Meaning if there are 2 basically even candidates, the minority would be chosen. The people who believe this have there hearts in the right place but they just don't realize that won't be the way it's applied. They are being naive.

When big companies like Disney or united want to hire hundreds of people, they will satisfy their DEI quota regardless of the discrepancies among candidates. Just like affirmative action. Minorities are getting placed in universities over far more qualified minorities.

chanatron1000 ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 5:52 pm

Cheiny wrote:

That's not not racist, but the motivation on TikTok is usually engagement. Unfortunately, social media with monetization and an algorithm like that is a recipe for engagement bait. Normal content gets buried by the algorithm. Rage bait gets comments and shares, which leads to views, which leads to money. You no longer have to be well connected in order to sell your integrity for cash.

Unfortunately, this is leading to a lot of harmful content.

↑ ally ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 6:02 pm

What if your assumption that the most qualified candidates are currently being hired is wrong?

I might be considered a DEI hire. My resume is kind of wonky because I got married young and have been having kids while building a career in a very non traditional field. However, I am excellent at my job. And in fact, in many ways better than many of my colleagues who took more standard routes to this career. DEI (when applied well) helps recognize the path taken and future potential. And it actually helps get the best candidates.

I have also served on hiring committees where DEI is considered. I have seen it give an edge to qualified candidates. I have never seen an unqualified candidate considered because of DEI.

↑ chanatron1000

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 6:24 pm

amother Snowflake wrote:

I think DEI is unfair. Is a middle class or poor black woman more deserving than a poor white girl who grew up in the inner city? How do we jusge DEI fairly?

DEI would probably be a lot less popular if there were a more popular race-neutral framework for helping people who are disadvantaged. And, since black people are statistically at a measurable disadvantage in terms of wealth and income, helping all people who are at a disadvantage equally would also mitigate the problems attributed to systemic racism.

↑ sushilover ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 6:29 pm

ally wrote:

If you think getting married young qualifies you as a DEI hire, you are blinding yourself to reality.

Diversity is a wonderful concept that has been twisted by people of a certain political persuasion into something racist and sexist.
Equity is evil and always has been. I feel very strongly about that.
Inclusion is great in theory, but like diversity, nowadays it means race, gender, and orientation.

If a company is making DEI hires, it means they are looking to hire a certain race, gender, or orientation. The fact that they are open about it is proof of just how racist our society has become.

Of course, many disagree with me and think that DEI is wonderful. In that case, you shouldn't consider it offensive when a DEI hire is called a DEI hire.

↑ ally ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 7:26 pm

sushilover wrote:

I'm a woman in a male dominated field. In my department, I am one of 4 women to 23 men. If you compare my resume, to a male of the same age, I would appear much less accomplished because I took longer to go through every career stage. I'm not less accomplished. I actually did everything that I did WHILE balancing a family...and in my opinion, that takes a lot more and shows a lot more dedication. And gave me life skills that are important as well and contribute positively to my work.

So, I am a DEI hire. Certainly being a woman was a plus when I went for my job. You could even tell me I'm less qualified because I didn't hit any 35 under 35 lists. But I don't think that that is really the best metric of a person. And I think I am a case in point.

↑ sushilover ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 7:45 pm

ally wrote:

If you were a man who took time off to marry young and build a family, do you think most DEI policies today would hire you over a woman who appears more accomplished because she focused solely on her career?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 7:56 pm

ally wrote:

You are generalizing your personal experience. Why do you assume that there aren't many instances where far more qualified candidates are passed over?

As an example we know the Whitehouse hired Karine Jean Pierre. I'm not discussing politics here. I'm only pointing her out as an example of a very unqualified person who was hired because she checked several DEI boxes.

Why do you assume this isn't common?

amother

Mocha

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 8:30 pm

I work in a large hospital whose hr proudly tells everyone they hire nurses to reflect the diverse culture they serve. So they try to have nurses of every minority. Which generally is great. But a few years ago we started getting more Chinese patients and someone suddenly realized we have almost no Chinese nurses. The next group of hires was almost all Chinese. Of the 5 I worked with 2 were good and 3 were not. 1 barely spoke English, had such a heavy accent neither her coworkers or patients could understand her..
Dei needs to be applied with common sense..

↑ ally ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 9:41 pm

sushilover wrote:

I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

↑ ally ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 9:42 pm

amother OP wrote:

Why do you assume that it is common? And again, how do you define qualified? What is the best predictor of future success?

↑ ally ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 9:46 pm

amother Mocha wrote:

But your story is exactly the point. Without "DEI", the Chinese patients were not having their needs met. So your definition of qualified, didn't help them. Of course, noone should be hiring people that cannot perform. But diversity is more than just having a colorful department. It allows the needs of different minorities to be met as well.

↑ dancingqueen ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 9:52 pm

amother OP wrote:

So a company announces that they are interested in DEI and will be hiring a disproportionate amount of minorities.

Fast forward a year and we shouldn't wonder if the hires are the most qualified or DEI hires?

Didn't the company themselves say they will hire based on DEI?

Disney and United airlines are recent examples of this.

You originally asked if it was acceptable for your co-worker to call someone else a DEI hire. And I maintain that no that’s not an acceptable thing to say in public spheres and still have people think well of you. Regardless of likes on imamother.

I see Jewish people on more public forms of social media calling minorities DEI hires and yes people get offended and it looks bad for us. If we want people to be nice to us, then we sort of have to play the game.

↑ sushilover ↓

Thu, Aug 01 2024, 9:58 pm

dancingqueen wrote:

Why is it offensive to call someone a DEI hire, but not offensive for employers to openly say that they are hiring people who match DEI standards?