New draft and frum families making aliyah

↑ essie14 ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:34 am

amother Turquoise wrote:

So tell us, how exactly is the IDF unaccommodating to the chareidim?
You want to sound like you know, but I really don't think you do.

My sons have never had issues with kol isha.

My sons always had mehadrin and shmitah l'chumrah when needed. (I can tell you how treif my son's yeshiva kitchen was after bochrim got into the kitchen - army puts you in jail for such an offense, not any yeshiva).

They are protecting the country so hilchos Shabbos can be different. As you would never say a member of Hatzalah is mechalel Shabbos, this is the same situation. My son has shabbos meals and even had a pesach seder in the middle of the night. Ironically they once had a group of chassidish bochrim come to help on base with a minyan. Unfortunately, these bochrim didn't get up on Shabbos morning to help out with the minyan so they all had to daven on their own with no leining.

They were so accommodating, if they could be, to let husbands go home at appropriate times keeping hilchos taharas hamishpacha in mind.

Now I want to hear your examples of how unaccommodating the IDF is.

My sons also each had Pesach seder in the army in different years.
So many accommodations for religious soldiers.

amother

↑ Acacia

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:39 am

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

If you think chareidim will change their way of life and values because of Oct 7th then you are gravely mistaken.

I feel this is the crux of the issue. Terrorists murdered our brothers and sisters on Simchas Torah and you think that shouldn't change your values and way of life? It has certainly changed mine. I am not the same person I was a year ago and I never will be again. How can your life not be changed by such an event?

Now maybe some of you can understand why many of us are so hurt by how much of the Chareidi population has behaved. Continuing the exact same way of life among all this suffering and tragedy. How can you not feel that Hashem is telling us that something has to change? Being unable to grow and develop and adjust you life over time to reality is not a strength.

amother

↑ Darkblue

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:41 am

amother Tan wrote:

Amother Darkblue, it's nice that they (NbN) were willing to gift you "only a few thousand dollars" I'd be happy to take them Smile

A few thousand dollar gets spent and forgotten years later. It is not like they wanted to give the amounts I heard them offering 40 years ago.

I am not pro-government in general (Israel and USA). I prefer to have less authority telling me what to do. A few thousand dollars is not a life changing amount in my opinion. I am therefore not selling my autonomy for such a sum.

↑ someone ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:41 am

amother Acacia wrote:

Thank you!!! This is what I have been trying to put into words for months

↑ essie14 ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:43 am

amother Darkblue wrote:

NBN didn't exist 40 years ago. You have your facts incorrect. The sal klita and other subsidies don't come from NBN. They come from the Jewish Agency and misrad ha'aliyah v'klita.

↑ essie14 ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:44 am

amother Acacia wrote:

Perfectly said!! 👏
Thank you for expressing this so eloquently.

amother

DarkGray ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 6:56 am

I didn't read this entire thread but the bottom line is that Daas Torah is telling charedim not to go the army. Sefardim, Chassidim, Litvish, peleg yerushalmi - there is no charedi gadol who came out and said yes, charedim should join the army. Even the bachurm who are not learning, even the bachurim who are not keeping all the mitzvos. Individual cases, yes, but on mass, no.

If you're dati leumi and your rabbanim say to go to the army, great! But please respect the fact that we respect our rabbanim and try to follow what they say.

There is a lot going on here beneath the surface, it's not a simple matter.

↑ Bnei Berak 10 ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 7:59 am

amother Acacia wrote:

So in your views all bachurim in the yeshivot should close their Gmara and take the next bus to lishkat gius? And who would stay in the yeshiva and study Torah?
What values should I change? In your opinion, what lifestyle change should I do?
FYI: Who was involved in finding and transporting the bodies from the kibbutzim? Zaka. That's just one example.
Your hate towards lomdei HaTorah is palpable.

↑ Bnei Berak 10 ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:05 am

amother Acacia wrote:

Being unable to grow and develop and adjust you life over time to reality is not a strength.

This is beyond insulting. You see chareidim as people who are not connected in time and reality, who somehow live in a different universe?
Adjust your life to reality?! Please tell us what *your* adjustments you have done after Oct 7th.

amother

Latte ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:09 am

amother Acacia wrote:

When people think their values and lifestyle are correct, nothing will change that.
Did you change your values?

↑ imaima ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:11 am

amother Acacia wrote:

Thank you.
I don’t even know what chareidi values she meant and if those values were worth keeping.

↑ imaima ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:13 am

amother Darkblue wrote:

This money is only meant to help you out in the form year or two.
But if you are rich anyway, why do you care?
You are only not selling your autonomy because you can afford it.

↑ Bnei Berak 10 ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:16 am

imaima wrote:

Thank you.
I don’t even know what chareidi values she meant and if those values were worth keeping.

Torah values aren't worth keeping? IMHO they totally are and I am sure you agree.

↑ essie14 ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:36 am

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

So in your views all bachurim in the yeshivot should close their Gmara and take the next bus to lishkat gius? And who would stay in the yeshiva and study Torah?

All the boys who are learning Torah from age 13-18 are worthless to you?????
Every man between 21-120????
Why is their learning not enough?
Why can't boys from the age of 18-21 learn and also serve their country for less than 3 years and then go back to full time learning??
There would still be hundreds of thousands of chareidim learning Torah.

↑ imaima ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:45 am

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

Torah values aren't worth keeping? IMHO they totally are and I am sure you agree.

Can you please specify which values are challenged in the army. Someone has mentioned all the accommodations there are there. Are there girls in the unit? I would assume that no but maybe I am wrong.

amother

↑ Chocolate

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:48 am

amother DarkGray wrote:

Why would the Gedolim say to go to the army?
They’d be out of “business”.
They’re not dumb.
This is about controlling people, in order to consolidate power and money.
It’s as “simple” as that.