How do I "transform" hamotzi into mezonot?

AshkenazMom ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 10:59 am

I want to make some bread for picnic sandwiches. I always go picnic with a netilat jar and a bottle of tap water, this time seems very inconvenience. In the Kosher Store tey sell mezonot bread but my DH don't like them.
So... is just adding some sugar to the dough? My normal recipe has some sugar but just a spoon, should I add more of it? Should I also add some grape juice on it?

Should I ask my rabbi about it or is something standard?

Thank you!

amf

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:04 am

Many hold that mezonos bread is a marketing gimmick, and there isn't really such a thing
Definitely ask your LOR

Tzivia18

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:07 am

Replace the majority of the water in the recipe with apple juice. Make sure it’s real apple juice, and not from concentrate.

honey36

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:08 am

Yes ask your rabbi. Many hold that the Bracha depends on weather you are being "kovaya seudah" and not necessarily on the ingredients of the "bread".

When we see the "mezonos" rolls in the grocery, DH laughs and says, "next they will be making 'no Bracha required rolls'"

Brit in Israel

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:08 am

According to my Rav, majority of the liquid used must be juice I think it can be orange or apple juice instead of grape juice.

Comptroller ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:10 am

More than half the liquid has to be NOT water, either milk, if you want to make it milchig, that's easiest and doesn't impact the taste, or you have to take a true fruit juice, (meaning NOT a fruit juice that was made from concentrate and then filled up with water), a real fruit juice (not diluted with water).

patzer

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:13 am

Comptroller wrote:

Making milchig bread raises an entirely new set of halachic issues!

energybar

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:18 am

I'm almost sure it has more to do with the water you put in versus apple juice... that would make it Mezonos!

↑ Comptroller ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:19 am

patzer wrote:

Making milchig bread raises an entirely new set of halachic issues!

It's not bread, it's mezonot.

What would those issues be? Did your Rav forbid you to make mezonot with milk in them?

Blessing1

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:19 am

You can replace most of the liquid with apple juice. However, if the bread is a big/main part of the meal, you may need to wash regardless. So if the sandwich is the meal, you'd need to wash even if the bread is technically mezonos.

Roseflower

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:22 am

Comptroller wrote:

It's not bread, it's mezonot.

What would those issues be? Did your Rav forbid you to make mezonot with milk in them?

It's to prevent mistakes. Most bread is parve, so a milchig bread has to be made in a different form to differentiate from a regular loaf/challah etc.

To make a bread mezonos, you need to have more juice than water.

The Happy Wife

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:24 am

If you are kovea seudah, you would need to make hamotzi even on a mezonos item like cake.

Ema of 5 ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:27 am

Comptroller wrote:

It's not bread, it's mezonot.

What would those issues be? Did your Rav forbid you to make mezonot with milk in them?

I don’t think dairy bread is the issue, I think it’s making challah dairy which might be a problem. (Talking specifically about hamotzi, not mezonos.)

↑ Comptroller ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:32 am

Roseflower wrote:

What prevents her from making it in a different shape? That's not really an obstacle.

↑ Comptroller ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:32 am

Ema of 5 wrote:

I don’t think dairy bread is the issue, I think it’s making challah dairy which might be a problem. (Talking specifically about hamotzi, not mezonos.)

That's probably because it becomes mezonot when you add too much milk!

Think good

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:38 am

Milk does not make bread into Mezonos because it's one of the six liquids

pinkpeonies

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:41 am

This is a question for a rav. Before you start talking about what makes bread hapas habaah bkisnin, you need to know if it is truly mezonos (if you aren’t sfardi)
And making any dough milchig can be problematic. It needs a siman to show that it’s not parve in the bread itself

↑ Ema of 5 ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:41 am

Comptroller wrote:

That's probably because it becomes mezonot when you add too much milk!

I don’t know about that, I think it’s specifically juice. But the point is that challah can’t be dairy because you might accidentally put something meat in it. Dairy bread, as far as I know, isn’t the same, and as long as it doesn’t look like challah it’s ok.

singleagain

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 11:44 am

Whenever I travel on an airplane or driving a car, my dad always reminds me to pack disposable gloves. Then I don't have to wash because my entire hand is covered by the glove and I'm not touching the bread directly. This is in accordance to what my Rabbi has paskened. My Rabbi does not believe in mezonos bread

chocolate moose

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 7:59 pm

based on what people are sayfing abaaove, I wou;d not plan on sandwiches.