Zev Brenner With Heshy Goldstein about Hotel scam

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LovesHashem ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 3:18 pm

NechaMom wrote:

I actually meant as far as LH.
I would hate for rumors to spread if he’s indeed innocent.
Even though the red flags are there I would wait to hear the full story before accusing him of doing it intentionally.
I’m sure we’ll find out if there’s proof of this wiring to the wrong party. It shouldn’t be that hard to verify. I do feel there’s a chance that he was scammed.

This was literally his chance to tell his full story. And he did. He was pretty open, confident, and smug.

amother

↑ Lawngreen ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 3:22 pm

WhatFor wrote:

Yup. The first words out of my mouth when the podcast was over was "... and not a single question was answered."

In response to the person who wrote "he's a master manipulator", I find it difficult to believe that most people who watch that podcast would be persuaded. He gave zero tangible facts or proof of anything. And then tried to say he doesn't owe an explanation when, um yeah you do! When you disappear hundreds of thousands of dollars of clients' money, you've got some 'splainin to do. And if you market your business to the public, then yeah, everyone gets to ask.

I'm skeptical as well. But how can he prove he wasn't scammed. He said the FBI and law enforcement are involved. They can easily trace the account the money was sent to.

He is explaining. He said he was a phishing victim. Again, I'm not sure. But you seem to be expecting him to conclusively prove he wasn't scammed. The only thing he can do is cooperate with law enforcement and it appears he is doing so.

amother

↑ Lawngreen ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 3:24 pm

WhatFor wrote:

Innocent until proven guilty is a standard for the American legal system. It means the state can't deprive him of his freedom until he's proven guilty. It has no bearing on what the average person should believe or how they comport themselves with respect to his business.

Based on his own words, I now know three things.
1. A bunch of people paid him hundreds of thousands of dollars for a pesach program he didn't deliver on because he "was scammed".
2. Based on an article he wrote a few years ago, he tried to run a shavuot program but "was scammed" again and it fell through literally at the last second at which point he dodged the event. He claimed he knew from the beginning that one of the guys was a scammer (whose fault it was entirely) and that he didn't trust this guy's kashrut (but decided to use him for the program anyway, for reasons that was another person's fault.)
3. Now based on what he says in this podcast, there was yet another previous pesach program that was a disaster because he "was scammed".

All I can say is, don't give this guy money if you want something in return. He's clearly at huge risk of "being scammed". And I hope someone reports this to the FBI so all those people have a chance at getting their money back.

Are you exaggerating here? I listened to the interview. What previous program ended in disaster?

amother

Marigold

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 3:31 pm

amother Vanilla wrote:

I don't know anything about this guy but I work in the cyber industry and things like this happen more than you think. I have worked on projects and hacked into emails and then sent emails from those accounts (all with approval from the company but individual had no idea). There are many large companies who lose millions to scams.

Yes. This happened to a family member. They were however suspicious about something in the wording and logo and were bh able to stop the transfer of money.

As for those asking about insurance- yes travelers and vacationers should purchase insurance or use a credit card- which has insurance.

amother

Bone

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 3:35 pm

Whether the scam actually occurred or not, we can all take this as a reminder to triple check things before sending funds out. View all emails with a modicum of suspicion.

amother

↑ Lawngreen ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 3:41 pm

WhatFor wrote:

You said you know 3 things.

Then you put the idea that he "was scammed" in quotes as if you know he's lying. You don't know this.

↑ Mevater ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 3:43 pm

Sour grapes doesnt prove his innocence. Only proof that he wired money to a fraudster, and that whatever he said happened, is proven to have really happened, will.

amother

↑ Snowflake ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:08 pm

I personally know vendors from his past events that did not get paid. He is a scammer and trying to pin the blame on others.

↑ NechaMom ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:09 pm

LovesHashem wrote:

This was literally his chance to tell his full story. And he did. He was pretty open, confident, and smug.

I’m not sure what you’re implying?
Are you convinced that he wasn’t scammed?
I agree he was smug but that still doesn’t prove he wasn’t scammed. It may prove that he doesn’t feel terrible about it for some reason. Almost like the scam worked in his favor.
It’s all assumptions. I really hope we’ll get a follow up.

amother

↑ Snowflake ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:12 pm

The interview had so many inconsistencies. First he says the story started March 3, later he says March 15 and then he says until this past Wednesday they had no clue something was amiss. So which one is it?
First he says there was an extra "r" on the domain, then he says the actual email was hacked. So which one is it?
First he says they are selling the food now for half price. Then when someone asks where to get the stuff he doesn't exactly answer that.
And many many more red flags.

↑ LovesHashem

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:17 pm

NechaMom wrote:

You said he we haven't heard the whole story. Why do you think that? He went on the podcast to literally tell the whole story n

↑ NechaMom ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:21 pm

LovesHashem wrote:

You said he we haven't heard the whole story. Why do you think that? He went on the podcast to literally tell the whole story n

We don’t have the proof that he wired money to the wrong address.
If he did, then he was indeed scammed. If he didn’t then he’s the scammer. We won’t know this part without proof.
Even though the story is full of red flags and smells fishy we don’t have the full story. Only his version of it. Which may or may not be true.

↑ NechaMom ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:23 pm

One thing is for sure, this interview didn’t do his story any good.
Would be much more wise to stay silent and get a good lawyer for the case.

amother

↑ Lawngreen ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:26 pm

LovesHashem wrote:

You said he we haven't heard the whole story. Why do you think that? He went on the podcast to literally tell the whole story n

Well we don't know the last part of the story. If the FBI can prove that the wire was sent to a fraudster, that would fill in a missing piece. What info did he not provide that you can say forsure he's withholding?

amother

Sapphire

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:55 pm

Whether he was scammed or not, man comes across as a crook.

amother

Ruby

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 4:58 pm

amother Sapphire wrote:

Whether he was scammed or not, man comes across as a crook.

Exactly. He is either a scammer or a talented shlimazel.

↑ Mevater ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 5:02 pm

Id love to hear the hotels side of the story.

I bet its very different than his.

↑ NechaMom ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 5:07 pm

Mevater wrote:

Id love to hear the hotels side of the story.

I bet its very different than his.

I tried booking for pesach dates and they have tons of availability

amother

↑ Snowflake ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 5:30 pm

If last years program was successful, why didn't they do it at the kartrite again? Notice that each event takes place in different hotels...

amother

↑ Charcoal ↓

Mon, Apr 03 2023, 5:37 pm

amother Lawngreen wrote:

He couldn’t even give the FBIs name or number.

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