Devastating Irreversible Abusive Treatments

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:16 pm

https://www.heritage.org/gende.....dence

amother

↑ Caramel ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:19 pm

amother [ Jade ] wrote:

Actually there are evidence- based studies showing this modality works. I’ve got them.

Any everyone needs to do what’s best for their child, I don’t think this is the only path. There’s never just one path.

ETA, I’m at work and can’t seem to find my file of studies on my phone but if you go to Pubmed you’ll find countless studies on Autism and transgender and treatment outcomes.

No you don’t. You have studies showing correlation and statistically high intersectional dual diagnosis, but you do not have longitudinal studies on gender affirming trans outcomes for those on the spectrum, as it pertains to suicidal ideation, absent of any other treatment.

amother

↑ Charcoal ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:21 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

All I am saying is that government has no business STOPPING an ADULT from getting
Conversion Therapy if that is their CHOICE. Their Body, Their Choice.

Do you agree, Charcoal?

They are stopping Adults from providing conversion therapy.

And we are back to libertarianism again. A totally different discussion about whether the government should stay out of peoples lives more.

No, not "all" you were saying.. You said a lot of things.

I think there is defiantly political posturing here... and if this conversion therapy is in fact still happening - its a failure of regulators.

amother

Crocus ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:27 pm

amother [ Cognac ] wrote:

Our hospital didn't want to proceed with a treatment plan for my son, because since he was 9 years old, he was to make the decision & decide whether he wants to go thru a transplant because it's his body.
They brought a social worker, interpreter & told him all the side effects & he would need to sign and agree, if not they can't do anything. If the child decides no to treat they listen to child.

This makes no sense to me, a 9 year old can't make their own medical decisions, at least not in NY.

amother

↑ Caramel ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:30 pm

What’s absent in these discussions is why there’s a sudden explosion of rapid-onset gender dysphoria amongst teens, particularly amongst female teens that have historically not presented with gender dysphoria.

An autistic teen that witnesses a social movement to change something about themselves, predicated on the idea about a feeling that they don’t fit in, will be more likely to latch onto that social movement. Abigail Shrier covers this pretty extensively in her book, backed with numerous studies.

The environment is the biggest facilitator toward whether a child will claim gender dysphoria. If you browse YouTube shorts or TikTok, no matter what you start out liking, you will invariably be faced with transition posts, and anyone commenting with criticism or questions, or anything less than adulation and praise is booted from the platform.

It’s strange for me to say this, but perhaps the chasidim have the right idea. Block the internet, ban all tv and movies and secular literature, and immerse yourself in your own cultural norms. What’s out there is really damaging.

amother

↑ Jade ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:32 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/relations-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

This is not a study. It’s one man’s opinion. I don’t even see a study linked here.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:34 pm

another reason for the LGBTQ explosion is that white cis girls often feel ashamed that they are seen as the "oppressors" in today's current racial climate. By calling themselves "queer" or even transgender they can claim victim status, and are celebrated and adored instead of being seen as boring, or worse, the oppressors of blacks or other minorities.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:36 pm

amother [ Jade ] wrote:

This is not a study. It’s one man’s opinion. I don’t even see a study linked here.

I never claimed it was a study, but I find it extremely relevant.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:42 pm

amother [ Crocus ] wrote:

This makes no sense to me, a 9 year old can't make their own medical decisions, at least not in NY.

Are you sure? Seems like now 9 year olds can make their own medical decisions - even to die!

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 1:43 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

Exactly! Even a white MAN can get LGBQT PRIVILEGE by claiming to be gay or trans.

amother

↑ Jade ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:03 pm

amother [ Caramel ] wrote:

I actually agree with you on this one. There’s an explosion of trans kids coming out of the woodworks suddenly, especially in mainstream society. It’s sad but it’s something we need to deal with and blaming it on liberal propaganda doesn’t help anyone. My opinion is, (and I’ve spoken to moms of formerly trans kids) let the kids explore as part of emotional development as long as there is no medical intervention involved. Give them all the support and therapy they need, hopefully by the time they reach adulthood, they’ll realize that this isn’t the answer they were looking for. It’s worked for other moms. Sometimes fighting it only makes the issue worse.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:10 pm

amother [ Jade ] wrote:

This is not a study. It’s one man’s opinion. I don’t even see a study linked here.

The article referenced several studies:

In 2016, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services revisited the question of whether relations reassignment surgery would have to be covered by Medicare plans. Despite receiving a request that its coverage be mandated, Medicaid refused, on the ground that we lack evidence that it benefits patients.

Here’s how the June 2016 “Proposed Decision Memo for Gender Dysphoria and Gender Reassignment Surgery” put it:

Based on a thorough review of the clinical evidence available at this time, there is not enough evidence to determine whether gender reassignment surgery improves health outcomes for Medicare beneficiaries with gender dysphoria. There were conflicting (inconsistent) study results—of the best designed studies, some reported benefits while others reported harms. The quality and strength of evidence were low due to the mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, potential confounding, and small sample sizes. Many studies that reported positive outcomes were exploratory type studies (case-series and case-control) with no confirmatory follow-up.

The final August 2016 memo was even more blunt. It pointed out:

Overall, the quality and strength of evidence were low due to mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, subjective endpoints, potential confounding (a situation where the association between the intervention and outcome is influenced by another factor such as a co-intervention), small sample sizes, lack of validated assessment tools, and considerable lost to follow-up.

That “lost to follow-up,” remember, could be pointing to people who committed suicide.

And when it comes to the best studies, there is no evidence of “clinically significant changes” after relations reassignment:

The majority of studies were non-longitudinal, exploratory type studies (I.e., in a preliminary state of investigation or hypothesis generating), or did not include concurrent controls or testing prior to and after surgery. Several reported positive results but the potential issues noted above reduced strength and confidence. After careful assessment, we identified six studies that could provide useful information. Of these, the four best designed and conducted studies that assessed quality of life before and after surgery using validated (albeit non-specific) psychometric studies did not demonstrate clinically significant changes or differences in psychometric test results after [gender reassignment surgery].

In a discussion of the largest and most robust study—the study from Sweden that McHugh mentioned in the quote above—the Obama Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services pointed out the 19-times-greater likelihood for death by suicide, and a host of other poor outcomes:

The study identified increased mortality and psychiatric hospitalization compared to the matched controls. The mortality was primarily due to completed suicides (19.1-fold greater than in control Swedes), but death due to neoplasm and cardiovascular disease was increased 2 to 2.5 times as well. We note, mortality from this patient population did not become apparent until after 10 years. The risk for psychiatric hospitalization was 2.8 times greater than in controls even after adjustment for prior psychiatric disease (18 percent). The risk for attempted suicide was greater in male-to-female patients regardless of the gender of the control. Further, we cannot exclude therapeutic interventions as a cause of the observed excess morbidity and mortality. The study, however, was not constructed to assess the impact of gender reassignment surgery per se.
These results are tragic. And they directly contradict the most popular media narratives, as well as many of the snapshot studies that do not track people over time. As the Obama Centers for Medicare and Medicaid pointed out, “mortality from this patient population did not become apparent until after 10 years.”

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:13 pm

amother [ Caramel ] wrote:

We know why there is a "sudden explosion" of kids identifying as trans?

Because they are being brainwashed in schools that being trans is "Cool" and
children who identify as trans are given a lot of attention and treated as heroes!

The answer is to do what Florida has done - OUTLAW any discussion of Trans or Gay
in schools. But not only k -3, as Florida did but K-12.

If we did that, there would be a 99% reduction in number of Trans! and Gay

Virtually all students in K-12 are MINORS and nobody should be allowed to GROOM Minors
about s*xuality!!!

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:30 pm

As one NB mom of a 4 year old "genderless" child (though mom admitted the child had a clear biological sx) said - there are other things more important than what's in "their pants."
If genitalia and sx are so unimportant - why this huge focus on letting the child "choose"? Why not just let the child be their natural self without all the awkwardness.

↑ chanatron1000 ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:34 pm

The transgender movement pushes the narrative that not having "gender affirming care" causes suicide, thereby encouraging suicide.

amother

Lemon ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:45 pm

amother [ Caramel ] wrote:

There are biological and epigenetic links between neurodivergence and gender fluidity as well. Not that anyone is going to talk about this.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:50 pm

amother [ Lemon ] wrote:

There are biological and epigenetic links between neurodivergence and gender fluidity as well. Not that anyone is going to talk about this.

And there are lots of comorbidities with lots of different diagnoses. What do you conclude based on your above statement? People with abuse history are also more vulnerable to gender confusion. that doesnt change the fact that a person's sx can NOT ever be changed. They are merely changing their appearance, as in a Purim costume.

amother

↑ Lemon ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:52 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

And there are lots of comorbidities with lots of different diagnoses. What do you conclude based on your above statement? That people have the right to mental illness?

No. That society should be taking a harder look at the biological underpinnings of gender issues [and autism] and finding biological pathways to healing.

In response to the post I quoted saying kids on the spectrum are prone to “fall” for gender dysphasia because they already feel different. Just saying it may really be a brain thing.

amother

↑ Caramel ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:53 pm

amother [ Lemon ] wrote:

There are biological and epigenetic links between neurodivergence and gender fluidity as well. Not that anyone is going to talk about this.

Gender fluidity is a theoretical concept in the human realm, adapted loosely from animal survival tactics. It’s not a universally accepted theory.

And beware of any study that uses epigenetics as evidence.

And we are talking about this. That is exactly what we are doing. The point is quality of life and care outcomes.

amother

↑ Caramel ↓

Wed, Jul 06 2022, 2:55 pm

chanatron1000 wrote:

The transgender movement pushes the narrative that not having "gender affirming care" causes suicide, thereby encouraging suicide.

Precisely. It’s a fear based reaction, forcing the clinical treatment to yield to what the patient wants, versus what is objectively going to provide quality of life.