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amother
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 Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:11 am
| #BestBubby wrote: | | What argument have I backed away from? |
That conversion therapy isn't harmful.
That conversion therapy was banned because there is now a push towards different therapies.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:13 am
| #BestBubby wrote: | To wake people up to the danger and evil of the Left and the evil Lefty doctors and therapists.
And that parental rights have been abolished. |
Uch.. give me a break. the whole thread is preaching to the choir.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:13 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | I see you've backed away from your argument - and into Libertarianism. Totally different discussion.
But going back to conversion therapy:
https://web.archive.org/web/20.....05723
I tend to agree with the RCA - therapy should be regulated by professional associations, not the government.
Same with all medical care. |
It seems you are confusing conversion therapy for homosxuality with therapy for people with gender dysphoria. Are you really equating the 2 completely different things?
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:15 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | | Uch.. give me a break. the whole thread is preaching to the choir. |
Great, then you should have no problem with it, as a member of the "choir." Or are you?
Some of us ladies appreciate an intellectual discussion, and some of us are horrified at the cruelty kids and vulnerable adults subject to. Clearly you have some kind of interest in this subject, because you are participating in the thread. If you don't may I suggest you move on.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:16 am
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | | It seems you are confusing conversion therapy for homosxuality with therapy for people with gender dysphoria. Are you really equating the 2 completely different things? |
No I'm not.
In real life "conversion therapy" is mostly associated with 'converting' gay people into 'straight people'.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:16 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | I see you've backed away from your argument - and into Libertarianism. Totally different discussion.
But going back to conversion therapy:
https://web.archive.org/web/20.....05723
I tend to agree with the RCA - therapy should be regulated by professional associations, not the government.
Same with all medical care. |
Your article proves my point.
The law forbids mental health professionals from saying that not all who identified as gay really are.
Then the article says "see! All mental health professionals agree!"
When you take away free speech from professionals and force them to agree with leftist agenda, you can no longer use opinion of mental health professionals as proof. They are no longer allowed to express their own opinions.
Same with medical doctors not allowed to speak out against covid Vax or can lose their license..
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:17 am
| #BestBubby wrote: | Your article proves my point.
The law forbids mental health professionals from saying that not all who identified as gay really are.
Then the article says "see! All mental health professionals agree!"
When you take away free speech from professionals and force them to agree with leftist agenda, you can no longer use opinion of mental health professionals as proof. They are no longer allowed to express their own opinions.
Same with medical doctors not allowed to speak out against covid Vax or can lose their license.. |
Which point did it prove?
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:19 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | No I'm not.
In real life "conversion therapy" is mostly associated with 'converting' gay people into 'straight people'. |
And if an adult wants to CHOOSE conversion therapy that is their right. Their body., their choice.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:19 am
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | please post your favorite LGBTQ hypocrisy/contradiction. This is for the sake of truth, and for the sake of protecting children, not just for mocking people pointlessly. These are very unfortunate people who deserve our pity.
They claim:
1) sx and gender are 2 different things. sx cannot change but gender can. So why the surgery if sx can never change??
2) Conversion therapy is illegal - we cannot try to help people with their thoughts and feelings yet we can change their bodies!
3) children cannot consent to sx, vote, or drive, yet they can consent to dangerous, life altering surgery
4) they claim the surgery and hormones lower risk of suicide, it is actually found to increase it.
5) They say a transgender woman is a woman, and a woman means someone who identifies as such. But they have not defined woman. Can a person identify as a genius? as a professor? as a dog? as a witch? as another person (I.e. their brother)?
6) they say that gender and sx are 2 different things and that the surgery is to make their sx and gender align with each other. but if they are 2 totally separate things, HOW can you possibly align them, if supposedly they have nothing to do with each other?!?!
7) weight loss surgery, kidney donation surgery, etc. require extensive counseling, yet to butcher someone's body and make them unable to urinate, have relations, org@sm, look normal, or reproduce, there is NO counseling required or provided, in fact this is illegal in many states!
8) they say gender is a spectrum but EVERY human exists because a male sperm met female egg. So actually there are only 2 genders. period.
9) People who don't approve/believe in transgender are called "transphobic." if someone doesn't believe in G-d, are they G-dphobic??? Of course not.
I can go on and on. |
Most of what you wrote here is misinformed.
Can I ask, what is the obsession some people have with these issues?! Especially if it’s something that doesn’t personally affect them. You started this conversation saying how heartbroken you are by this. Tell me, are you also so heartbroken that there are children in third world countries dying every day of malnutrition and accidents in mines?
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:20 am
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | … from my experience of talking to “friends” and others who discussed transgenderism and pedophilia in the same breath.
The suffering is there, regardless. Yes, many autistic kids go through this because they experience the world completely different than neuro typical people. Not because society is thrusting it upon them. These issues have been around since the beginning of mankind, it’s not a new thing. We just label it differently now.
Also, some of your facts are just completely wrong. You shouldn’t just swallow every sentence uttered by Ben Shapiro and co. Real evidence-based studies don’t agree with you and are calling your “facts” one-sided and sloppy. |
As someone with two autistic children on opposite sides of the spectrum, one a boy who loved all things girly for years and years, what you’re doing isn’t the only tried and tested way to deal with the issue.
What autistic children need are limits, boundaries, and social guidance. In most other instances we don’t pander to a child’s insistence on a belief that ultimately harms them and their social currency. Why would we pander to this latest iteration of it, simply because it’s the trend?
We have also been programmed that suicidal feelings should hold us hostage to the whims of whoever claims them. Suicidal ideation are unique and separate from “if only I change this in my life everything will be okay.” These have to be managed independently so that the child has stability, no matter their circumstances.
Find a new therapist.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:20 am
| #BestBubby wrote: | | And if an adult wants to CHOOSE conversion therapy that is their right. Their body., their choice. |
Back to libertarianism.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:21 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | No I'm not.
In real life "conversion therapy" is mostly associated with 'converting' gay people into 'straight people'. |
Nowhere did I use the term conversion therapy on this thread. This thread is actually not about gay/lesbian people. It is about "transgender" people. Please start your own thread if you want to discuss something unrelated.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:22 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | | Which point did it prove? |
The proof that conversion therapy doesn't work is that is the opinion of mental health pprofessionals.
But mental health professionals have NO FREEDOM to express their opinion. They have to repeat leftist propaganda.
Charcoal, can a mental health professionals say on mass media that " a man cannot be a woman" and not lose their license???
Let's see if you answer that question!
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:23 am
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | Most of what you wrote here is misinformed.
Can I ask, what is the obsession some people have with these issues?! Especially if it’s something that doesn’t personally affect them. You started this conversation saying how heartbroken you are by this. Tell me, are you also so heartbroken that there are children in third world countries dying every day of malnutrition and accidents in mines? |
What is your obsession with my obsession? Maybe I am obsessed with lots of things. Maybe not. I don't need to indulge your disrespectful question.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:25 am
| amother [ OP ] wrote: | | Nowhere did I use the term conversion therapy on this thread. This thread is actually not about gay/lesbian people. It is about "transgender" people. Please start your own thread if you want to discuss something unrelated. |
You didn't. I didn't reply to you.
The sidebar in the thread on lower ages for patient consent was actually very interesting - and not what you started the thread about either.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:26 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | | Back to libertarianism. |
I am fine with much of Libertarianism.
Certainly oppose totalitarianism which is where we are heading..
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:26 am
| amother [ Caramel ] wrote: | As someone with two autistic children on opposite sides of the spectrum, one a boy who loved all things girly for years and years, what you’re doing isn’t the only tried and tested way to deal with the issue.
What autistic children need are limits, boundaries, and social guidance. In most other instances we don’t pander to a child’s insistence on a belief that ultimately harms them and their social currency. Why would we pander to this latest iteration of it, simply because it’s the trend?
We have also been programmed that suicidal feelings should hold us hostage to the whims of whoever claims them. Suicidal ideation are unique and separate from “if only I change this in my life everything will be okay.” These have to be managed independently so that the child has stability, no matter their circumstances.
Find a new therapist. |
Excuse me?!
My child is a teenager and isn’t holding us “hostage”. She survived a suicide attempt and I hope you never know what that’s like.
If you have an autistic child you’ll also know that every child on the spectrum is different. What works for you doesn’t work for everyone.
We’re very happy with our team of supportive professionals, thank you very much.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:27 am
| #BestBubby wrote: | I am fine with much of Libertarianism.
Certainly oppose totalitarianism which is where we are heading.. |
Yes - you are eschewing libertarian views, rather than addressing the underlying issue.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:28 am
| amother [ Charcoal ] wrote: | | Yes - you are eschewing libertarian views, rather than addressing the underlying issue. |
I'm not sure you know what eschewing means.
Ah--perhaps 'espousing' is what you were going for.
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Wed, Jul 06 2022, 8:28 am
| amother [ Jade ] wrote: | Excuse me?!
My child is a teenager and isn’t holding us “hostage”. She survived a suicide attempt and I hope you never know what that’s like.
If you have an autistic child you’ll also know that every child on the spectrum is different. What works for you doesn’t work for everyone.
We’re very happy with our team of supportive professionals, thank you very much. |
Well, you know, pikuach nefesh is a silly halacha, we should really throw that one out.
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