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amother
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 Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:04 pm
| amother [ Impatiens ] wrote: | No, people didn't all take the vaccine because they 'fell for lies'.
Many took the vaccine because it meant they could then continue on with life like normal, without any limitations. Even though they didn't necessarily see the importance and wouldn't have taken it otherwise. And there's nothing wrong with that. |
Yes, there is something wrong with that!
That’s called coercion, bullying, misuse of power or if you prefer just call it communism
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:07 pm
| amother [ Camellia ] wrote: | Yes, there is something wrong with that!
That’s called coercion, bullying, misuse of power or if you prefer just call it communism |
I was referring to people's decision to take the vaccine, not the rules.
It's insulting to people's intelligence to say they all did something because 'they just fell for lies' or 'they're sheep' or whatever is the insult de jour.
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:08 pm
| amother [ Dodgerblue ] wrote: | | What is the truth? |
Well part of it is the true number of vaccine injuries, the conflict of interests at the Israeli MOH and hospitals who received huge amounts of money from Pfizer, the fact that Pfizer messed around in their trials and tried to cover it up, the fact that Pfizer KNEW about the possible side effects, the effects on fertility. Look up Maddie deGray who is a 13 year old girl who took part in Pfizer's own trial. She is now in a wheelchair and is fed via feeding tube.
Money was collected in Israel and someone is producing a movie about the increase in stillbirths and miscarriages. There are already films with testimonies of vax injured Israelis. These are our brothers and sisters and they are being ignored by the authorities. And when I post their stories the ppl who love the shots yell "NO!!! Stop!" We are not even allowed to discuss this anymore. Youtube censors. Facebook and its evil "factcheckers" censors. Twitter censors. This is the nee world. But as I said- the truth is emerging. I will iyH post some shocking truths about Pfizer as well.
There is alot to say about how the unreliable and corrupt FDA and CDC shut down early treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine that saved lives and could have saved many more. They are still hounding doctors and trying to take away their licenses for actually prescribing them and saving lives. Only retired and very brave doctors are not afraid to talk. Everyone else is afraid for their paychecks and go along. I could go on and on. Olam Hasheker. Just follow the $$$
But you could also follow thise brave doctors who speak out unafrsid. Dr. Peter McCullogh, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Richard Urso, Dr. Zev Zelenko ( may Hashem grant him a refuah), Dr. Paul Marik, Dr. Larry Palevsky, Dr. James Thorpe, Dr. Amir Shachar (head of the ER in Laniado), Dr. Avshalom Carmel and many more fearless doctors who speak out. Tzaddikim and chasidei umos haolam - every one.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:08 pm
| amother [ Camellia ] wrote: | Yes, there is something wrong with that!
That’s called coercion, bullying, misuse of power or if you prefer just call it communism |
Why would you call it communism?
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:10 pm
| ChossidMom wrote: | Well part of it is the true number of vaccine injuries, the conflict of interests at the Israeli MOH and hospitals who received huge amounts of money from Pfizer, the fact that Pfizer messed around in their trials and tried to cover it up, the fact that Pfizer KNEW about the possible side effects, the effects on fertility. Look up Maddie deGray who is a 13 year old girl who took part in Pfizer's own trial. She is now in a wheelchair and is fed via feeding tube.
Money was collected in Israel and someone is producing a movie about the increase in stillbirths and miscarriages. There are already films with testimonies of vax injured Israelis. These are our brothers and sisters and they are being ignored by the authorities. And when I post their stories the ppl who love the shots yell "NO!!! Stop!" We are not even allowed to discuss this anymore. Youtube censors. Facebook and its evil "factcheckers" censors. Twitter censors. This is the nee world. But as I said- the truth is emerging. I will iyH post some shocking truths about Pfizer as well.
There is alot to say about how the unreliable and corrupt FDA and CDC shut down early treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine that saved lives and could have saved many more. They are still hounding doctors and trying to take away their licenses for actually prescribing them and saving lives. Only retired and very brave doctors are not afraid to talk. Everyone else is afraid for their paychecks and go along. I could go on and on. Olam Hasheker. Just follow the $$$
But you could also follow thise brave doctors who speak out unafrsid. Dr. Peter McCullogh, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Richard Urso, Dr. Zev Zelenko ( may Hashem grant him a refuah), Dr. Paul Marik, Dr. Larry Palevsky, Dr. James Thorpe, Dr. Amir Shachar (head of the ER in Laniado), Dr. Avshalom Carmel and many more fearless doctors who speak out. Tzaddikim and chasidei umos haolam - every one. |
So "the truth" you are referring to is that the vaccine injures people? Or is the "the truth" that the government is hiding things from us wrt to the vaccine being dangerous?
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:11 pm
Because that level of force, coercion, propaganda and corrupt cover up is what goes on in communist totalitarian governments- who ever thought it could happen here in the US and in E”Y…
Who thought the “free press” would collude to this extent who thought peoples right to debate and speak and first amendment would be shut down hard and people threatened with loss of jobs and fired and smeared and cancelled.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:14 pm
Ugh. Why is everyone alwasy so black and white on here?
Yes, many of us agree that the vaccines were not as necessary as made out to be.
No, those articles are no proof of increased miscarriages or anything of the sort, none of these are real studies that give conclusive evidence either way. And there's probably more real evidence around of miscarriages and stillbirths related to an actual Covid infection.
Whatever. These threads alwasy go around in circles.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:14 pm
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I don’t blame anyone for taking it based on what we knew at that time.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:16 pm
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Anecdotally yes we see what’s going on around us within our own spheres of influence social networks and communities. I believe what I see. I believe drs. Friends I trust to tell me what they are really seeing in their practices.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:17 pm
And btw, you can hate all you want about Israel's policies, but I personally believe that had my grandparents not made aliyah they possibly wouldn't be here anymore ch'v.
At the end of the day, the first lockdown in Israel DID save many lives.
The subsequent lockdowns were not necessary. But, not everything done in Israel was completely wrong.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:17 pm
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It’s a painful awakening a challenging loss of trust and innocence. It is the truth.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:18 pm
| ChossidMom wrote: | Well part of it is the true number of vaccine injuries, the conflict of interests at the Israeli MOH and hospitals who received huge amounts of money from Pfizer, the fact that Pfizer messed around in their trials and tried to cover it up, the fact that Pfizer KNEW about the possible side effects, the effects on fertility. Look up Maddie deGray who is a 13 year old girl who took part in Pfizer's own trial. She is now in a wheelchair and is fed via feeding tube.
Money was collected in Israel and someone is producing a movie about the increase in stillbirths and miscarriages. There are already films with testimonies of vax injured Israelis. These are our brothers and sisters and they are being ignored by the authorities. And when I post their stories the ppl who love the shots yell "NO!!! Stop!" We are not even allowed to discuss this anymore. Youtube censors. Facebook and its evil "factcheckers" censors. Twitter censors. This is the nee world. But as I said- the truth is emerging. I will iyH post some shocking truths about Pfizer as well.
There is alot to say about how the unreliable and corrupt FDA and CDC shut down early treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine that saved lives and could have saved many more. They are still hounding doctors and trying to take away their licenses for actually prescribing them and saving lives. Only retired and very brave doctors are not afraid to talk. Everyone else is afraid for their paychecks and go along. I could go on and on. Olam Hasheker. Just follow the $$$
But you could also follow thise brave doctors who speak out unafrsid. Dr. Peter McCullogh, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Richard Urso, Dr. Zev Zelenko ( may Hashem grant him a refuah), Dr. Paul Marik, Dr. Larry Palevsky, Dr. James Thorpe, Dr. Amir Shachar (head of the ER in Laniado), Dr. Avshalom Carmel and many more fearless doctors who speak out. Tzaddikim and chasidei umos haolam - every one. |
Chossidmom
I’m so disappointed with Imamother admin for trying to make you feel like you’ve done something wrong...by telling you that you need to post on one thread..it’s so wrong of whoever made the decision. I really appreciate what Imamother does for us, but this was poor judgement on their part imho.
This is exactly what I mean. The vaccinated ppl need to keep digging their heels in further and further 
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:19 pm
It’s not about 20/20 hindsight and initially there was a helpful buying of time to get a handle on how best to treat.
And ultimately all up to Hashem.
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amother
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:19 pm
| amother [ Gladiolus ] wrote: | | It’s a painful awakening a challenging loss of trust and innocence. It is the truth. |
Believe it or not, the 'truth' actually probably lies somewhere in the middle. Between both extreme opposing views.
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ChossidMom
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Mon, Jun 27 2022, 7:21 pm
| amother [ Impatiens ] wrote: | I was referring to people's decision to take the vaccine, not the rules.
It's insulting to people's intelligence to say they all did something because 'they just fell for lies' or 'they're sheep' or whatever is the insult de jour. |
Saying that someone fell for the lies is not meant as an insult. They did a job on all of us. I believe the Israeli government spent 279 million shekels (I can check) on their ad campaign. This is mind boggling. And it is no surprise that people fell for it. Do you know that our prime minister called the unvaxed loaded machine guns that spray disease all over? This caused terrible division and senseless hatred and ripped society apart. They mocked us unvaxed, ridiculed us and said we should be locked up. We were discriminated against Everywhere. We becsme second class citizens. We watched as they gave everyone a number which they had to show to get in to many places. To this day I do not understand how it was ok with all the vaxxed folks that my basic freedoms were taken away. So, yes, I think that "fell for it" is accurate and not an insult.
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