What is going on with athletes all over? Collapsing/Dying

amother

↑ Puce ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:41 pm

ChossidMom wrote:

We are all just asking questions. Not proving anything.

There are lots and lots of questions.

Alot of athletes were required to take the shots. Remember that tennis player from Serbia, I think, that flew to Australia for a competition and they didn't let him in because he wouldn't take the shot?

I also remember that there was a tennis competition (can't remember where. maybe Australia) where 15 players dropped out during it. Because of physical issues.

Australia wasn't letting anyone in, vaccinated or no. They (and New Zealand) had the strictest entrance policies and lockdowns. Only citizens/residents and even they had a hard time with leaving and reentering. So I'm skeptical about this story.
And sorry, Steve Kirsch sounds like a nut.

amother

↑ Seablue ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:44 pm

ChossidMom wrote:

Why should anyone make it stoppppppp?

What is wrong with asking questions to make people think?

Why is it so disturbing to see my posts?

Why do some people want this place to become North Korea?

Why is cancel culture ok?

Why is okay to post about someone's death and baselessly speculate its cause?

↑ ChossidMom ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:45 pm

amother [ Puce ] wrote:

You are so funny. It was all over the mainstream media. Everyone got in because they were VACCINATED. Only the Serbian player wasn't allowed in.

Here is a link from the BBC site (not "obscure")
https://www.bbc.com/news/world.....89522

World number one men's tennis player Novak Djokovic has had his visa to enter Australia dramatically revoked on his arrival in Melbourne, amid a huge backlash over a vaccine exemption.

Djokovic was held in the airport for several hours before border officials announced he had not met entry rules.

He was then taken to a government detention hotel. A court will decide on his deportation on Monday.

The row is around an exemption he had to play in the Australian Open.

Tournament organisers said the Serbian player, who has said he is opposed to vaccination, had been granted medical exemption by two independent medical panels organised by Tennis Australia, the body that runs the event, and Victoria state.

The decision infuriated many in a country that has seen a surge in Covid-19 cases, and where over 90% of those over 16 are fully vaccinated. People have also had to endure some of the world's strictest restrictions and some still cannot travel between states or internationally.

On Wednesday, border officials said the 34-year-old had "failed to provide appropriate evidence" for entry after arriving from Dubai. He is now being held at a hotel in the Melbourne suburb of Carlton which is used for immigration detention.

"Non-citizens who do not hold a valid visa on entry or who have had their visa cancelled will be detained and removed from Australia," the Australian Border Force (ABF) said in a statement.

Djokovic's team challenged ABF's decision, and a hearing at the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia has been scheduled for Monday.

Media caption,
Watch: Ros Atkins On... Novak Djokovic and Australia
Australia's Prime Minister Scott Morrison denied Djokovic was being singled out and said no-one was above the country's rules. But he added that Djokovic's stance on vaccination had drawn attention.

"When you get people making public statements - of what they say they have, and what they are going to do, and what their claims are - well they draw significant attention to themselves," Mr Morrison told reporters.

Though Djokovic's reason for an exemption has not been disclosed, Mr Morrison said contracting Covid-19 in the past six months was not among federal criteria for one.

Mr Morrison, who had initially said he would support the Victoria state's decision about the exemption, is now being accused of politicising the issue. The prime minister himself is under pressure amid the Covid-19 surge, and a federal election is scheduled for May.

REACTION: Nadal says Djokovic 'could be playing'
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Separately the country's deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, said Djokovic should be deported if he had not told the truth.

"Then he's taking the sovereign capacity of another nation for a joke," Mr Joyce told the BBC. "You can't just wander around the world thinking that because you're really rich you're really above the laws of other nations".

The row prompted Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic to say Djokovic was a victim of "harassment" and that "the whole of Serbia" supported him. Mr Morrison denied the visa cancellation was because of "any particular position in relation to Serbia", describing the nation as "a good friend of Australia".

Outside the hotel where Djokovic was being held, supporters of the tennis player expressed anger at his treatment. The player's father, Srdjan, said his son had been held in a room guarded by police at the airport. "This is not just a fight for Novak, but a fight for the whole world," he said in a statement.

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:45 pm

amother [ Petunia ] wrote:

My dad dropped dad 45 years ago at the age of 33. People have been dropping dead forever. We just know about now due to social media.

If people dropped dead at such a high rate before covid then why was covid to blame for people dropping dead?

amother

↑ Seablue ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:50 pm

amother [ Butterscotch ] wrote:

If people dropped dead at such a high rate before covid then why was covid to blame for people dropping dead?

such a high rate? thats what you got from her posting about her dad?

↑ ChossidMom ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:53 pm

amother [ Seablue ] wrote:

Why is okay to post about someone's death and baselessly speculate its cause?

kick

Because there is a dangerous substance being injected into people. And now some of you want to inject it into your helpless children.
My job is to ask questions and inform.

If you think this is not ok, you can report me to the owners of this forum and they can kick me off if they think I am doing something immoral.

Otherwise you can simply roll your eyes and skip my posts.

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:55 pm

amother [ Seablue ] wrote:

such a high rate? thats what you got from her posting about her dad?

She said that people have been dropping dead forever. If people have been dropping dead at such a high rate before covid then why would you blame covid for people dropping dead?

amother

↑ Puce ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:56 pm

Nope I don't believe any of the stories listed here. Either pre-existing conditions or performance enhancement drugs (which are known to put a strain on the heart).

And I'm fine with the vaccine policies. It's not mandated. If someone doesn't want to get it, they don't have to, including athletes. If that shuts them out of a competition they can decide if it's worth it.

I'm also not concerned about mask mandates. Those aren't coming back either.

I'm more concerned about economics. I think the you-know-what is going to hit the fan soon. I'm worried about Great Depression era stuff happening. Pretty soon that's all everyone is going to be worried about, not covid or vaccines. That's where people should put their concerns if you ask me.

amother

↑ Seablue ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 6:59 pm

ChossidMom wrote:

None of "Because there is a dangerous substance being injected into people. And now some of you want to inject it into your helpless children. My job is to ask questions and inform." Has any baring on posting about someone's death and speculating its cause without evidence. Its pure LH.

I'm not reporting your post. I'm asking you a question.

↑ ChossidMom ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:01 pm

It is lashon hara to post newspaper reports about people who collapse or die?

amother

↑ Seablue ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:03 pm

amother [ Butterscotch ] wrote:

She said that people have been dropping dead forever. If people have been dropping dead at such a high rate before covid then why would you blame covid for people dropping dead?

yes people have been out of the blue dropping dead 'forever'. Where do you get from that a 'high rate' of that happening?

amother

Eggshell ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:06 pm

No matter where someone is holding and what is their opinion I seriously do not get the whole censorship shut down cancel free speech movement and narrative. Scary.

amother

↑ Seablue ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:06 pm

ChossidMom wrote:

It is lashon hara to post newspaper reports about people who collapse or die?

No.

The post stated with "Sometimes it feels like we are losing one high profile athlete a day to the vaccine" followed by a story about the death of an athlete.

Was I incorrect in my understanding the two were connected?

amother

↑ Eggshell ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:07 pm

It’s like bullying! I mean we teach our kids how to talk debate be mutually respectful of others and their opinions. What if your kid went to school and talked lo another kid bullying and mocking it’s so bizarre.

amother

↑ Seablue ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:16 pm

amother [ Eggshell ] wrote:

Cause of death isn't usually one the things that falls into the category of 'opinion' - unless your a trained coroner.

↑ ChossidMom ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:17 pm

amother [ Seablue ] wrote:

That was a quote from Steve Kirsch. And he said what it feels like to him. You don't have to agree or see it that way. If you want we can check the Chofetz Chaim'k book or ask an expert if I quoted Lashon Hara. You didn't answer why it is ok to cancel people who do not hold your opinons. What is the deal with "make it stoppppp"? Is it because of lashon hara? Wow. You better leave this thread before I pollute your neshama some more. I am not badmouthing anyone. I am badmouthing a medical intervention to which NOONE gave informed consent. Noone. Informed consent means presenting the risks, the benefits AND the alternatives.

amother

↑ Petunia

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:21 pm

amother [ Butterscotch ] wrote:

If people dropped dead at such a high rate before covid then why was covid to blame for people dropping dead?

People with covid dropped dead of covid. People who dropped dead of no known cause.droppef dead of no known cause.

What's your point

Are u insinuating that people didn't actually die of covid.

↑ fleetwood ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:25 pm

amother [ Seablue ] wrote:

How is it your job?

amother

↑ Seablue ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:25 pm

ChossidMom wrote:

I didn't tell you to stop posting. I don't want to cancel you.

Maybe is rechilut not lashon harah. Its baseless rumors.

Its just yuck.

I see you are angry. I hope your family is well.

↑ ChossidMom ↓

Thu, Jun 23 2022, 7:28 pm

Ad an aside, people died of covid. They did not suddrnly "drop dead" ( only in those phony Chinese videos from the beginning). What we are seeing today is people literally dropping dead. The Israeli newspapers are full of obits for folks that collapsed and died "before their time". We never saw this in the past. People aren't stupid. Millions of ppl took the first jab. By number 4 there were millions less. I think the number was 500,000. And only 300 brought their kids in this week BH.