New community forming in Eretz Yisroel!!!!!

LovesHashem ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 1:56 am

I've been to Maale Amos. It's a good 20 minutes past Efrat. It's very secluded over the green line and near Metzad the other chareidi yishiv.

There's no high school or yeshiva. People send to Beitar which can be a 40 minute ride. It's not 30 minutes from Jerusalem at all, forget during rush hour.

The area is notctge safest, let's put it this way. Most of the places in the Gush are near each other somewhat. There's a general area near Efrat, Neve Daniel, Tzomet Hagush, Bat Ayin, etc where the mall and supermarket is.

There are other outlying places like Tekoa and Ibay Hanachal, etc but you need to be aware it's a good 20 minute drive from these areas.

There's not public transportation often, you really need a car, and yes it's Israeli chareidi you will need to fit into the chareidi system.

These ads are so misleading. Also RBS isn't bad either. Kids don't go OTD Stam. It's usually from families that are JPF and not yeshivish, as they have a much harder time getting pushed into the Israeli system. Families that are very yeshivish and don't have smartphones, watch movies etc have a much easier time and I rarely see their kids OTD.

There's other reasons as well but that's for a different thread.

shabbatiscoming ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:02 am

I have read nothing besides for the OP, but let me clear something up. Maale Amos is already an existing charedi yishuv. This may be a new area in that yishuv, but it already exists.
It was started in the 1980s by an american charedi oleh. So again, this may be a new neighborhood IN the yishuv, but its not a new local for a community.
And its funny how it says its near efrat. Its in the area of efrat but really it is deep in the west bank, a bit isolated really. Just putting that out there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27ale_Amos

↑ DrMom ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:04 am

theotherone1 wrote:

I'm not sure what the problem is. Either you like the idea of a supportive kehilla and moving with a group or you don't. If you do, look into the above options, and if you don't, move on with your life.

I don't think there is any problem other than vague and possibly misleading information.

People need to be straightforward about what they are offering.

↑ Reality ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:05 am

theotherone1 wrote:

Okay, I'll comment as well. We have researched Maale Amos over the years as an aliyah destination. Its a small chareidi yishuv with lots of chutznikim. Because the location is not considered the safest and its somewhat isolated, they have had a hard time attracting new families. The people we spoke to are very happy.

A few years ago, a chassidish group bought/built? a bunch of housing and encouraged young families who had lower budgets to move there. From what I heard, they were successful and are happy.

Now you have a few Lakewood-type individuals who are trying to promote chareidi aliyah. Instead of people just landing in Israel and trying to find their way around Beitar, Kiryat Sefer, etc they are trying to create a supportive community. There is also a group trying to do this in Afula (which has been discussed on imamother).

I'm not sure what the problem is. Either you like the idea of a supportive kehilla and moving with a group or you don't. If you do, look into the above options, and if you don't, move on with your life.

Exactly. Anyone who knows anything about Israel knows that if it's "close" to Yerushalayim and is affordable knows it means it's over the green line.

While I do think these types of ads don't include all the info they should, that's not a problem that is exclusive to Israel. People want to push their business proposition and only want to include the positives. It's up to the potential buyer to do their research. No reason to slam Israel over this ad. Plenty of misleading/ missing info business ventures in the US as well.

↑ LovesHashem ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:09 am

salt wrote:

I have to say I only read the 1st page and didn't read the flyer.
But why is this so weird? It's great.
Efrat also started up by Rav Riskin bringing his American community to Israel.
Why shouldn't like minded Jews live together to make immigration easier?
Sounds great.

Yes and no. This as straight up lies. There's no high school there or yeshiva. Anywhere in Beitar which is the closest is going to be Israeli chareidi. RBS/Jerusalem is a 40-60 minute commute and public transportation there is really iffy. There's none to RBS at all. It could take 1.5 hours each way during rush hour for a girl to get to high school in Jerusalem by bus.

↑ number ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:19 am

LovesHashem wrote:

From what I understand the plan is for them to bring in enough families that they can start their own school system.

Elfrida ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:26 am

number wrote:

From what I understand the plan is for them to bring in enough families that they can start their own school system.

Possibly a yesodi, but it would take a very long time to get a tichon built, and even if/when it is not all the girls will go there. The older girls (and boys) would need to travel. Even a yesodi will take time to be built a d sustainable.

↑ Alternative ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:32 am

Elfrida wrote:

It seems there already is a boys' and girls' elementary. Says so on wiki too.

WhatFor ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:38 am

number wrote:

From what I understand the plan is for them to bring in enough families that they can start their own school system.

That was my understanding from reading the flyer - they're looking to hire so the schools aren't established yet. I do hope they're informing families what it means to live over the green line. I'm not saying not to move there - I have relatives who live there, but they're very tzioni and specifically live there knowing what it entails. There may be higher risks of attacks, community members need to be trained, carry weapons and do patrol, your home is going to be the subject of international disputes, and one day the Israeli government may come in and forcibly remove you from your home because of an international deal they made. Even if it never comes to that, there can be bans on building in your neighborhood because of international treaties.

I'm not here to give my opinion on any of that, just to say I also have relatives in Lakewood, and stereotypical Lakewood isn't particularly focused on kivush haaretz under the Israeli government as their strongest mitzvah.

So I agree the flyer is a bit confusing.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:39 am

number wrote:

Oh yes I saw those too. I don’t know what it’s about either but it sounds like a group is trying to pull a Lakewood crowd to some alternate community in Israel. The whole thing is odd.

Why is that odd? Its been done before where a whole community or part of a community uproot, all together, and make aliyah. I think thats lovely. Efrat was started that way.

↑ Alternative

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:42 am

WhatFor wrote:

If it's a legal settlement, then the chances you will be removed from your home are very low. It exists, but it's very minimal.
We aren't talking about some illegal hilltop settlement here, where some young couples just decided to set up house without any permits.

That said, yes, you need to be aware of what life there entails before settling there. I guess renting for a year is a good way to find out.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:45 am

cutestbaby wrote:

Ok thank you for uploading the flyer. I think I understand.
What I don't understand is why anybody in their right mind thinks this is a good idea???
The issues that you'll have in a community like this will be similar to the issues that RBS has with all the kids going off the derech, except a million times worse! These poor kids will never have a chance. What will happen when they get to shidduch age? Who will marry them? (if they make it there still on the derech)

Huh? What a terribly negative attitude. Do you live in Israel? First of all maale amos is an established yishuv already, over 30 years old. This would just be a new area in that yishuv.
And as for who will marry such people (not sure why such a negative outlook) other charedi olim. That happens all over israel, really Smile

↑ Elfrida

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:46 am

Alternative wrote:

Gush Katif was a legal block of settlements. So was Yamit. In more isolated areas, one has to be aware of that possibility.

↑ WhatFor ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:47 am

Alternative wrote:

I guess I'm thinking of Gush Katif, but you're right that doesn't happen often.

And yes, renting would be a good way to start. I guess it's strange to me because of the difference in types of people I know from Lakewood vs the West Bank. It just seems like apples and oranges. But I wish success to anyone making aaliyah!

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 2:47 am

dena613 wrote:

https://lifeintheland.com/wiki/Ma%27aleh_Amos

Anyway, sounds interesting.
I southbound anyone should move there thinking it's Lkwd!

I think that If it DOES take off, it will be,like someone in one of the articles said, like a beitar kind of place... But I really can't imagine a village/yishuv comprised mostly of Americans surviving.

If you look at American-Israeli kids, you see that as much as many don't have a full sense of belonging ( "I'm american", "I'm Israeli" , or "I'm Israeli and my parents are American" ), like marries like. Many American-israelis marry kids just like them. It works.

Moshav Matityahu started that way, so did efrat and maale amos has been around for over 30 years. SO, yes, it can happen and does.

champion ↓

Sun, Dec 19 2021, 3:09 am

I cannot believe the attitude on this thread.
Maale Amos is an intimate close knit community Yeshivish community with a very involved Rav. Not a place for everybody, but amazing for people that fit in.
Aliya in the north american yeshivish community hasn't been popular for many many years but there is a growing trend of Yeshivish people that are actually waking up.
My personal impression is that this project is actually catering for the more yeshivish crowd in lakewood (the type that actually lived in lakewood before the traffic...)so you can stop mocking their need for gashmiyus and restaurants now. That is actually what they don't want.
RBS is not for all of them for a variety of reasons. They need more options. As a nation we WANT there to be more options available!
Of course everybody should do their research before moving but the negativety on this thread is frying my braind. ESPECIALLY from people who actually live here.