Can you explain the medical condition for us laypeople? Is the danger to the mother only during birth or even during the pregnancy? How high is the mortality rate? Is it really 999 in 1000?
It's a television show, so clearly they were looking for one of the highest causes of maternal and fetal mortality without really showing us much else. We don't know the cause of PH in Ruchami, nor do we know how severe it is normally. It's solely a plot device so that we, the viewers, accept the reality that:
Ruchami can get pregnant on her own.
Getting pregnant is extremely dangerous.
She would have to abort if she got pregnant, according to most doctors.
Since she seems to have no medical care, we don't really know how she's doing. The 1/1000 the Professor threw out is mostly hyperbole. It's not a statistical analysis. I don't have much experience in this field, but basically, the condition is where the heart doesn't work as well as it should, leading to increased blood pressure. In pregnancy, with increased blood and fluid volume, this condition can get much worse, and labor/postpartum is an especially tricky time. It would basically cause a heart attack.
Maternal death can be anywhere from 17% of all affected women to 56%, depending. If a woman chooses to go through with the pregnancy, in most cases a C section is performed at 34 weeks.
I was wondering why they showed her in labor with the first aborted child. I would think just off the top of my head that going through labor might be risky, but maybe putting her under would have been more risky. But they could have done a C-section with a local. Anyone with enough medical knowledge to speculate?
(One assumes they consulted with some medical people to make the script at least believable. Then again, when you see how some practices in frum communities are distorted - Bat HaShoter, just as an example - you wonder Where were the consultants?)
Racheli and Kive have 2 episodes left! hurry up kvar
Shulem is brilliant as usual
also with his pot of flowers
so what about Yossele!
Why does everyone keep saying we have only two episodes left? Seasons 1 and 2 went for 12 episodes. Is there a reason to think this one will only be 9??
It's a television show, so clearly they were looking for one of the highest causes of maternal and fetal mortality without really showing us much else. We don't know the cause of PH in Ruchami, nor do we know how severe it is normally. It's solely a plot device so that we, the viewers, accept the reality that:
Ruchami can get pregnant on her own.
Getting pregnant is extremely dangerous.
She would have to abort if she got pregnant, according to most doctors.
Since she seems to have no medical care, we don't really know how she's doing. The 1/1000 the Professor threw out is mostly hyperbole. It's not a statistical analysis. I don't have much experience in this field, but basically, the condition is where the heart doesn't work as well as it should, leading to increased blood pressure. In pregnancy, with increased blood and fluid volume, this condition can get much worse, and labor/postpartum is an especially tricky time. It would basically cause a heart attack.
Maternal death can be anywhere from 17% of all affected women to 56%, depending. If a woman chooses to go through with the pregnancy, in most cases a C section is performed at 34 weeks.
Why does everyone keep saying we have only two episodes left? Seasons 1 and 2 went for 12 episodes. Is there a reason to think this one will only be 9??
That’s what I heard. Only 9 episodes this time. I was very disappointed. There’s enough going on to keep everyone busy for at least 12 episodes. I’ll be happy to have someone in the know come tell me I’m wrong. Anyone?
That’s what I heard. Only 9 episodes this time. I was very disappointed. There’s enough going on to keep everyone busy for at least 12 episodes. I’ll be happy to have someone in the know come tell me I’m wrong. Anyone?
Where did you hear this?
Someone also claimed to have heard that Elisheva was in this season. That turned out to be false.
That’s what I heard. Only 9 episodes this time. I was very disappointed. There’s enough going on to keep everyone busy for at least 12 episodes. I’ll be happy to have someone in the know come tell me I’m wrong. Anyone?
I have great news!
According to Wikipedia (if they can be trusted) Shtisel has a total of 36 episodes. That would mean that season 3 has 12 episodes, not 9!
Am I alone in thinking that Shulem took the cigarette so that he has a reason to go back to the Dr. and thereby have Nechama come along with him again?
So I'm rewatching the episode.
Chanina has a flashback to the previous pregnancy that ended in a stillborn. Ruchami is seen going through the birth and then the doctor says, "ok, he is out.". And then there's a pause, as of she is waiting for something, and then Ruchami starts crying and screaming," No, no, no, no, no..."
Do you think that while she was pushing she thought the baby would be born alive?
This flashback comes right after he hears about Rav Zimmerman who became a shell of a man because he can't learn Torah anymore, and he makes the connection with Ruchami not being really alive because she cannot have a baby.
Also. I noticed that when Kiva and Rachelli first sit down to dinner, Rachelli is very agitated. She keeps checking her watch and saying pessimistically, "they will surely be late", and Kiva says, "they'll get here when they get here...", because he is really in no rush. He tries to make conversation, but she stops him in his tracks and says, we agreed not to do this..
By the end if the visit, she can't help but stare out the window at Akiva's retreating figure.
I would love to know what is going on inside her head.
At first I thought the stillbirth was totally unrealistic.
But knowing Ruchami she would totally refuse an epidural and want to be an active part of the abortion.
I just saw a news clip where they interviewed Shulem, Nochum, Yossi and Shira Levi- I cannot reconcile how they really look with their characters. Such a huge difference.
It's interesting to me that the Warburgs couldn't marry off Racheli. With their money they should have been able to find someone . . .
I have great news!
According to Wikipedia (if they can be trusted) Shtisel has a total of 36 episodes. That would mean that season 3 has 12 episodes, not 9!
https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%9C
That's not what wikipedia in Israel says. Look at סקירת הסדרה. I've seen producers write 9 in various posts.
In any case, Yossele is always every other episode.
I was reading an interesting analysis that posits the opposite of some opinions here, that maybe Yossele released the fly because he isn't feeling as trapped anymore now that Shira Levinson's father died. He got engaged to her after hearing how her father was dying and didn't want to disappoint him, meaning it was for the father and not for the girl to feel better. Now he doesn't have to worry about making a very sick man sad.
Am I alone in thinking that Shulem took the cigarette so that he has a reason to go back to the Dr. and thereby have Nechama come along with him again?
I don't think he's that self destructive consciously. He was really worried about his heart.
I think he just can't help himself every time he messes up his own love life, just like Akiva drinks.
So I'm rewatching the episode.
Chanina has a flashback to the previous pregnancy that ended in a stillborn. Ruchami is seen going through the birth and then the doctor says, "ok, he is out.". And then there's a pause, as of she is waiting for something, and then Ruchami starts crying and screaming," No, no, no, no, no..."
Do you think that while she was pushing she thought the baby would be born alive?
This flashback comes right after he hears about Rav Zimmerman who became a shell of a man because he can't learn Torah anymore, and he makes the connection with Ruchami not being really alive because she cannot have a baby.
Yes exactly.
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Also. I noticed that when Kiva and Rachelli first sit down to dinner, Rachelli is very agitated. She keeps checking her watch and saying pessimistically, "they will surely be late", and Kiva says, "they'll get here when they get here...", because he is really in no rush. He tries to make conversation, but she stops him in his tracks and says, we agreed not to do this..
By the end if the visit, she can't help but stare out the window at Akiva's retreating figure.
I would love to know what is going on inside her head.
She fell for him but is protecting herself from disappointment as she thinks he doesn't really want to pursue a relationship with her.
I have great news!
According to Wikipedia (if they can be trusted) Shtisel has a total of 36 episodes. That would mean that season 3 has 12 episodes, not 9!
Im in a face book group all about shtisel and people who were involved in the producing of the show, and were asked by people in this face book group, said that there were only going to be 9 episodes, but I do hope you are correct.
Am I alone in thinking that Shulem took the cigarette so that he has a reason to go back to the Dr. and thereby have Nechama come along with him again?
I thought it was just that his heart is fine.
Shoteh! Maybe because you stopped smoking? And now the pains will come back?
I don’t think there was any conscious thought process that went into Shulem’s cigarette. It was the classic self soothe reflex of my toddler reaching for his blankie and popping his thumb in his mouth when he’s upset. If you saw his expression looking at Nechama at the bus stop and knowing he’s going home alone you’ll agree.
She fell for him but is protecting herself from disappointment as she thinks he doesn't really want to pursue a relationship with her.
Right. After that whole beautiful speech Akiva gave Orli, before he leaves, she says, "by the way, you are quite a good actor. "
And she is hoping he will look her in the eyes and say, "I wasn't acting. I really meant what I said." (And then they will kiss and profess their love for one another.)
But instead he says, "so are you." And you can see her heart breaking again.
Honestly, we have no indication that he really thought about Rachelli as a marriage partner before she sprung it on him. He seemed so taken aback by the suggestion
. And except for that little doodle he drew of her that night when she refused to take his pictures, we dont see that he is into her. I think he really was not open for another relationship so soon, and if he was attracted to her, it was very subconscious.
But, hinei, now we are here and it's in front of his nose. He is definitely ready to take that step. He just needs to be honest with himself and with her and not play with her feelings. But Rachelli also made it much harder by warning him in the beginning that she was not interested...sigh.
Meanwhile, we know this is not the end because he left some of the baby's things there. So they will both have a chance to sleep on it and hopefully be brave enough to share their true feelings with one another when he comes back to retrieve the things.
Another thought I'm having is that, I wonder if on some level Akiva feels that marrying so soon after Libbi's death would be a betrayal to Libbi. He feels that Libbi is with him and Devorahle always, and marrying another woman would mean he is letting go of her.
And then Rachelli, in discussing her feelings with Orli, said that she feels that she is in a sort of partnership with Libbi, she shares a bond of motherhood with Libbi, both in her love for Devora'le and in her love for Akiva. In that way, she was sending a message to Akiva that being married to her would not be a betrayal to Libbi at all. Libbi would continue to be part of their lives, and the heart has many chambers and ability to love more than one person at the same time...I think that was enlightening and freeing for Akiva to hear.
I wonder what she meant that she was scared off by the idea of Akiva being an artist, and that after working with artists for so long, she promised herself many times that she would never marry one of them.
Akiva laughed but I'm not sure what that was supposed to mean.
