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amother

↑ Aqua ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 2:06 pm

To see if your mask protects those around you, you can also try this cool experiment. It's not scientific, but it does give you an idea of whether your mask is good enough to prevent droplets from your nose and mouth from being spread to others.

https://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/447058

I just watched it, very cool.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 2:09 pm

CiCi wrote:

I can guarantee you all that in five years time studies will come out proving the adverse effect of prolonged mask wearing. Just wait for these studies because it will be here eventually.

You do realize that there are actually places in this world where people have been wearing masks all of the time when they are outside, for years and years, right?

amother

↑ Aqua ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 2:12 pm

amother [ Cobalt ] wrote:

Just the opposite. That logic definitely does make sense! But most other people were brainwashed into thinking otherwise.

Could you explain why that logic doesnt work?

It makes sense, if you don't take into account how masks work.

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So you're saying that mask only work one way? If thats the case, then wearing the mask flipped around should protect you then.

No, because it's also about how it sits on your face, not just which side faces in and which side faces out.

No one ever said that the mask is hermetically sealed and prevents droplets that are coughed, sneezed, spat, or breathed into the air from entering your mask. There are masks that do that job. They're not the ones we're talking about right now.

But the masks do catch your droplets, that you cough, sneeze, spit, or breathe, and prevent them from being released into the air (from where they could get into other people's masks, or noses, or mouths). You don't need a hermetic seal for that, far from it. You just need something with a thick enough weave covering your nose and mouth.

↑ shabbatiscoming

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 2:13 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

IF masks are effective in stopping a virus from exiting a mask then masks are
effective in preventing a virus from entering a mask, protecting the wearer.

↑ gamanit ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 2:13 pm

amother [ Aqua ] wrote:

That's so so so inaccurate that I almost laughed out loud. A mask is supposed to filter your exhaled breath, not reroute it to the side. A filtered breath can still extinguish a flame. When she put on the surgical mask she left big gaps at the sides and air travels in the path of least resistance which means that her (unfiltered) breath was going straight out the gap. The fact that the candle stayed lit means nothing. The vapor test is far more accurate.

amother

↑ Aqua ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 2:15 pm

gamanit wrote:

I did notice that the type of mask she used the first time doesn't fit as well as the surgical masks usually do, so presumably air is escaping from there as well. Also, she notes that the first mask she used didn't stand up to the testing standards.

What's the vapor test?

↑ southernbubby ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 2:19 pm

Biden is asking Trump to enact a nationwide mask mandate that is supposed to save 4OK lives in the next few weeks.

amother

Scarlet

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 4:09 pm

Simple1 wrote:

And that you don't work in a job that requires you to wear it all day. I wonder how they do it. A 20 minute errand I can handle.

I wear a mask all day- sometimes two if it’s a COVID patient or a PUI. And I wear glasses. My face is sweaty and breaking out. It’s
Just lovely.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 4:50 pm

amother [ Linen ] wrote:

Not everything works that way. Some doors only lock from the inside. If you make a paper funnel and put it over a half-empty ketchup bottle, flies will go in, but they won't be able to find their way out. When you make coffee, the filter keeps the grounds out of the liquid, but it doesn't keep the liquid out of the grounds.

Are you claiming that masks only work one way? You have a source for that?

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 4:52 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Biden is asking Trump to enact a nationwide mask mandate that is supposed to save 4OK lives in the next few weeks.

Well since there is no mask vs unmask study, they can claim any number they want.

↑ gamanit ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 4:53 pm

amother [ Aqua ] wrote:

https://www.livescience.com/fa......html

The first mask she used is just fine. She's testing wrong.

↑ Hashem_Yaazor

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 5:37 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Biden is asking Trump to enact a nationwide mask mandate that is supposed to save 4OK lives in the next few weeks.

How many people have died in America from covid in just the past few weeks?

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 6:04 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

It would be nice if that were true. Then all that surgeons would need to do is mask the patient. But that's not what they do, is it.

Surgeons wear a mask because they cut the patient open, to prevent coughing and
sneezing on the open wound.

Your comment has nothing to do with my statement that if masks stop virus from
exiting a mask, then they obviously stop virus from entering a mask, protecting the
wearer.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 6:08 pm

I watched the Bill Nye video. And it didn't explain why wearing a mask does
not protect the wearer from inhaling the virus.

↑ CiCi ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 11:23 pm

amother [ Aqua ] wrote:

I do feel bad for people who are unable to comprehend that this virus wasn't engineered by their local government, and who cannot for the life of them understand that what they are hearing about masks being dangerous isn't actually based in science.

The fact is that hishtadlus never comes at the expense of "lo taamod al dam rei'echa" "lo tirtzach" and "kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh" and anyone who thinks she is doing right by endangering the lives of others is drinking the conspiracy theorists' Kool Aid.

I don't know where you live but in many areas the first wave is only getting serious now, and in many other areas there is already a second wave.

Please point to where I've said that the virus was engineered by our local governments. LOL

I never said that. I said that we will not be controlled by our power-hungry government which is trying to force us to wear masks indefinitely.

I think your beliefs are the kool aid Wink

I dont know where you live either, but where I live there's b"H no second wave at this point in time and I hope it stays this way..

For those who are scared, wearing a mask should protect them them from the terrible non-mask wearing individuals... A mask is simply a filter and it filters the air that's inhaled just as well as it filters exhaled air.

Last edited by CiCi on Thu, Aug 13 2020, 11:37 pm; edited 1 time in total

↑ CiCi ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 11:27 pm

amother [ Cobalt ] wrote:

So you're saying that mask only work one way? If thats the case, then wearing the mask flipped around should protect you then.

Exactly!

amother

↑ Linen ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 11:28 pm

Masks block both ways, but inhaling and exhaling don't produce the same amount of pressure.

↑ CiCi ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 11:34 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

I watched the Bill Nye video. And it didn't explain why wearing a mask does
not protect the wearer from inhaling the virus.

Exactly! The only way the logic behind the functions of a mask is disputed is by saying logic is not applied in this case! Amazing argument LOL

I see this argument used in different situations where people dont want to accept reality.

But the fact is that masks are a filter for air that's breathed out AND in. That's why Chinese oftentimes wear masks to protect them from breathing in smog and masks are worn as protection from breathing in harmful chemicals, etc. Cloth masks filter the air in both directions!

amother

↑ Aqua ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 11:34 pm

gamanit wrote:

https://www.livescience.com/face-mask-visualization-droplets-covid-19.html

The first mask she used is just fine. She's testing wrong.

You're hilarious. She said explicitly
יש לי כאן מסכה שנכשלה במבחן של מכון התקנים
"I have here a mask that failed the Standards Institute's tests"
The Standards Institute is the one which sets safety standards. So obviously it's not "just fine," even if you or I don't recognize fully what the problem with it is.

amother

↑ Aqua ↓

Thu, Aug 13 2020, 11:40 pm

CiCi wrote:

Please point to where I've said that the virus was engineered by our local governments. LOL

I never said that. I said that we will not be controlled by our power-hungry government which is trying to force us to wear masks indefinitely.

I think your beliefs are the kool aid Wink

I dont know where you live either, but where I live there's b"H no second wave at this point in time and I hope it stays this way..

For those who are scared, wearing a mask should protect them them as is protects others... A mask is simply a filter and it filters the air that's inhaled just as well as it filters exhaled air.

So trying to stop a pandemic is suddenly the power-hungry government's attempts to control you? Wonder what they did in 1918 to stop the pandemic, any idea? Oh, yeah.....they wore masks and quarantined. Huh.

I don't know if your first wave ever ended, but it's safe to say that you'll probably have a second wave. And even if you don't, considering you haven't said where you live, it's really irresponsible to say that masks are unnecessary right now, across the board.

No, a mask does not protect the wearer as much as it protects others. It sits close enough to the wearer's nose and mouth to catch droplets from being released into the air. It does not seal hermetically to prevent droplets released into the air by anti-maskers from entering the wearer's respiratory system.

Anyways. For those who are scared of drunk drivers, they should just not drink and drive, because that protects them as well as it protects others. And also anyone scared about people who text and drive should just not text and drive, because that protects them just as much as it protects others. Not drinking and driving and not texting and driving are simply eliminations of distractions, and eliminating distractions on your end should keep you safe enough. No reason to insist other people not answer emergency texts or not fulfill ad dlo yada just so that you can feel safer, you know?
And really, if you don't feel safe relying on your own driving abilities without imposing your will on others, just stay home and isolate yourself. Society doesn't need people like you around anyways.

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