Phony Michael Wolff (Fire & Fury) cant find one good thing

Mevater ↓

Mon, Jan 08 2018, 9:36 pm

Michael Wolff author of Fire and Fury, just appeared on the Stephen Colbert show and when asked, said he cant find one good thing going on in The White House. Everything Trump did or does is bad.

Ridiculous. Even mass murderers, which Trump clearly isnt, have virtues and accomplishments.

Colbert asked the author if he will release his tapes that will prove that what he wrote in his book was based on interviews. Wolff answered that hes a writer and doesnt have to release tapes.

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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 4:23 am

imasoftov wrote:

I'm sure you're right, so tell us some good things about your favorite mass murder.

I havent read a book about any mass murderers lately, nor do I have any friends or acquaintances in that category thank G-d, but I can be sure theyre organized, and well thought out, unlike the author of the book who I think wrote what he felt would have maximum shock value to sell more books.

He clearly said on the Colbert show that being that he interviewed many at the White House and got many versions of each story ,he "decided" on his own which the true version was.

Right.

southernbubby

Tue, Jan 09 2018, 5:59 am

Mevater wrote:

My take on this expose is also that the book might be good entertainment but should not be taken as proof of anything.

While I share the same concerns that everyone else has about Trump's behavior, which is often more reality TV that presidential, the Dow hitting 25,000 and a lower unemployment figure, is what much of the public wants. Stephen Miller was right in his interview with CNN, that Trump, who beat out many more qualified GOP candidates, is saying what much of the public wants to hear; that they want a chance to make a living rather than a handout.

I do see where Trump's bullying style may hopefully have North Korea scared and now other countries are moving embassies to Yerushalyim, but we have yet to see what comes out in the wash. How many people will be negatively affected by the new tax plan? What will happen to infrastructure if there is less tax money to spend on it? Is there any relief in sight for those who are paying $$$$$ for high deductible health insurance that is basically catastrophic care at a high cost?

So it may take awhile to see if we are better off with fewer immigrants, lower taxes on corporations, fewer restrictions on businesses that impact the environment, and possibly less inclusion of minority groups or more racism and hostility.

Personally, I am so happy about the SMR release that I see Trump becoming president as orchestrated by Hashem.

SixOfWands ↓

Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:38 am

Mevater wrote:

Well, why don't you list each and every lie you've found in the book, referencing page numbers and the information that you have that contradicts each point.

Since you know enough to refer to him as "fake," you must have already compiled that information.

And no journalist will release his tapes.

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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:45 am

SixOfWands wrote:

Anyone (other than prophets) who goes on a talk show and admits that there were many versions of the news items he wrote about in the book, and decided on his own which were true, has to have been wrong half of the time, statistically.

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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 7:55 am

Mevater wrote:

What he actually said was:

Quote:

"Many of the accounts of what has happened in the Trump White House are in conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion, are baldly untrue. These conflicts, and that looseness with the truth, if not with reality itself, are an elemental thread of the book.

"Sometimes I have let the players offer their versions, in turn allowing the reader to judge them. In other instances I have, through a consistency in the accounts and through sources I have come to trust, settled on a version of events I believe to be true."

Which is very different from what you allege.

But let's summarize. You got nothing, but you don't like what you hear about it, so you're going to malign it anyway.

FTR, I haven't read it yet.

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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 8:06 am

SixOfWands wrote:

Quote:
"Many of the accounts of what has happened in the Trump White House are in conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion, are baldly untrue. These conflicts, and that looseness with the truth, if not with reality itself, are an elemental thread of the book.

"Sometimes I have let the players offer their versions, in turn allowing the reader to judge them. In other instances I have, through a consistency in the accounts and through sources I have come to trust, settled on a version of events I believe to be true.".

I believe to be true?

Ok.

Talk like that would destroy him in a courtroom.

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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 10:20 am

allthingsblue wrote:

Just as true as claims about trump's inauguration crowd.

Balanced by:

1- Rubashkin being a free man.

2- Jerusalem embassy move.

3- Niki Haley in the UN.

4- Brilliant advisors with their Jewish hearts in the right place, like Jason Greenblatt and David Friedman.

allthingsblue wrote:

Etc etc etc

Yes. Etc etc etc

↑ SixOfWands

Tue, Jan 09 2018, 10:32 am

Mevater wrote:

I believe to be true?

Ok.

Talk like that would destroy him in a courtroom.

When faced with numerous and disparate accounts of the same events, Wolff discarded those that were not believable, and went with those he deemed most accurate. Like anyone else. Do you seriously believe that his doing do would be found to constitute "actual malice" in a courtroom?

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Tue, Jan 09 2018, 10:58 am

SixOfWands wrote:

Perhaps not actual malice, but would mean zilch as far as proof.

Fox

Tue, Jan 09 2018, 11:02 am

I haven't read the book, and I'm not sure I'll buy it unless or until the price drops dramatically. Just a couple of thoughts and observations:

* Wolff's reputation as a journalist isn't exactly pristine, and I notice left-wing outlets (e.g., Slate, etc.) are giving him a wide berth as they see how this plays out. They are definitely not getting behind him upfront.

* There have already been a number of pretty strident denials of quotes used by Wolff, most notably from Tom Barrack and Gary Cohn.

* Quite a few quotes are apparently secondary quotes rather than direct, primary quotes.

* I'm sure these people all have called one another the names reported by Wolff and probably more. Trump is hardly the only one with a significant ego!

I thought this was an especially good analysis from Jonah Goldberg at The National Review, which, while obviously a conservative outlet, is about as anti-Trump as you can get without use of naughty words:

"Fire and Fury" -- Less Revelatory Than Advertised

In the end, I don't care if Barron runs a backyard camp in the Rose Garden and the Treasury gets an infusion of cash by selling Melania's Dolce & Gabbana cast-offs on TheRealReal -- I'll judge the Presidency based on the economy and support of cultural values.

alis_al_kulana ↓

Tue, Jan 09 2018, 11:36 am

I voted for more accurate but intended to vote for less accurate. Terrible screen on my phone.

The book is full of outright falsehoods.
Some egregious ones:
-the claim that Stephen Miller is not familiar with policy (he's probably stronger in this area than Trump)
-the claim that his bedroom is covered with TV screens is apparently false
A lot of his sources are Bannon, just Bannon who is a flawed source.