Rubashkin's Sentence Commuted!

↑ spelt ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:29 pm

southernbubby wrote:

His family also wanted to celebrate with all of the yidden who were involved. Did you ever see that beautiful unity video that was made by all of the frum recording artists after he was sentenced? You could cry from watching it.

Personally I don't want to find fault with anything that he did last night because when he woke up yesterday, he probably didn't know for sure that he would be spending the night dancing in 770 with all of the Chassidim and other yidden who davened for this moment.

Try not to pass judgment. We need unity and we need heroes and we need something to get excited and happy about and we need happy things that bring klal Yisroel together.

I am not passing judgement. I just think that this is a sorry state of our generation that we have no busha anymore for our iniquities. just look at what goes on in all our communities. someone could admit to acting improperly with women and then be asked to be a mesader kiddushin and will accept. it is truly an olam haphuch where sheker is chein and hevel is yophi.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:29 pm

nechama14 wrote:

you are completely missing my point. you make it sound like he cheated on a school test. you don't get convicted on 84 counts if you did something so simple. I AGREE that the sentence was harsh. but this idolization seems absolutely insane

There is absolutely no idolization. People are celebrating a miracle.

farm ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:31 pm

nechama14 wrote:

so then you say " I so much appreciate all the work that people have done on my behalf. but I am no hero and don't want it to be misconstrued that way. therefore, as much as I would love to celebrate with all of you, I feel it would be more appropriate to go home and celebrate in private with my family."

I can only imagine how badly he wanted to cloister himself in his home and spend the night hugging and cuddling his children and then going to bed with his wife. But instead, he spent his first night of freedom traveling about with zero privacy or downtime to publicly thank and meet and shake hands and daven and dance with so many who had him in their minds and prayers these last eight years. I think that was very very remarkable!

↑ simba ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:34 pm

nechama14 wrote:

I wish for you that you never have to face the US justice system and be a victim of an anti-Semitic judge.
Feel free to live in a naive bubble that trusts.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:37 pm

nechama14 wrote:

Financial finagling is different from acting improperly with women. At one time, many frum yidden believed that it was no sin to fudge documents in order to get government help or help from banks. As you see, frum people have been sent to jail numerous times in the past for financial fraud and they were otherwise good Jews and good people but they stumbled in this regard. We don't know what anyone does regarding taxes or reporting of income but now whatever SMR did is public knowledge. Still, he is remembered for what he gave the frum world; a community where Jews of many communities lived and worked together and still do. He also was wonderful to anyone who came to collect tzedukah.

SMR was responsible for an entire community. We should remember that and our young people will have to be taught the nuances.

↑ spelt ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:38 pm

farm wrote:

there's not a soul in the world who wouldn't have understood if that's what he said he wanted to do. could someone have made you do that if you didn't want to? why must me look at this as the ultimate self-sacrifice?

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:38 pm

nechama14 wrote:

You are passing jugdgement. At least don’t lie about it.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:43 pm

farm wrote:

And how about his mother who waited so long to hug and kiss him? He made a stop there and it was a beautiful moment and I am sure that she was reassured that he would come back after all the stops.
The frum world erupted and SMR didn't want to disappoint anyone and was there for everyone. And now he can sleep in his own bed, BH, and spend as much time with his family as he dreamed of all these years. He hopefully will write a book someday and teach us all that he has learned.

We wish the entire family much happiness together and look forward to all of the good that SMR will do in the future.

↑ simba ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:44 pm

nechama14 wrote:

I resent your implying that my heart is not filled with love for my fellow Jew.

And I resent that you came to a thread full of tears of joy and ahavas Yisroel and threw cold water on it.

kjb

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:44 pm

I’m not comfortable with what he did either. And I hope that at some proper moment sometime soon he says something decent about that. But the sentence WAS massively exaggerated. And it’s a mitzvah to redeem the captive. Trump might have signed the document but the reason he is out is because of the tireless campaigning of huge parts of the frum community. Of COURSE he should share the simcha with that community. It’s a thank you

↑ southernbubby

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:45 pm

nechama14 wrote:

But the family itself wanted to celebrate with Klal Yisroel.

↑ spelt ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:45 pm

just for the record - I agree with what everybody is saying. I am not a perfect person by any means and have many times rationalized things to myself. I understand the complexities of human nature and how very good people can get caught up in the moment and do very bad things. it just seems to me that something about this whole response is "off."

↑ simba ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:47 pm

nechama14 wrote:

Clearly you are in the minority. Apologies for the harsh words.

Welcome to imamother. Seems you are new here.

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↑ spelt ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:48 pm

simba wrote:

And I resent that you came to a thread full of tears of joy and ahavas Yisroel and threw cold water on it.

did you cry when pollard was released?
isn't this a discussion forum?

↑ farm ↓

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:48 pm

nechama14 wrote:

I'm not saying it was The Ultimate self sacrifice. I am saying that the collective klal yisroel was on a high and felt like their actual brother was released from prison. And he was kind enough to realize that even though he has no clue who they are, they all had his name on their lips daily, read every letter he wrote in prison, followed each proceeding and development leading up to his release. So he treated them right back like close family and spent the night celebrating with as many as he could. Not a 'hero' or an 'idol'' like you are seeing it, like a brother!

↑ Rubber Ducky

Thu, Dec 21 2017, 2:53 pm

nechama14 wrote:

Nechama, Mr. Rubashkin's sentence was commuted. He wasn't pardoned and is still responsible for his debts. He became a public figure and not by his own choice. Mr. Rubashkin belongs to all of us, so please come join us at the party!