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MagentaYenta
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 Mon, Aug 14 2017, 3:14 pm
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Did you know he was a Messianic Jew for many decades?
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PinkFridge
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Mon, Aug 14 2017, 3:20 pm
| MagentaYenta wrote: | | Did you know he was a Messianic Jew for many decades? |
No. I didn't. That explains the Alice Cooper interview. (I'm kind of binge watching youtube clips. [New filter, limited youtube.]) AC keeps saying that they both went through addiction and came out Christians, but he did mention a seder at the Campbells.
Maybe I'll ask for the thread to be deleted but not yet.
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MagentaYenta
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Mon, Aug 14 2017, 3:27 pm
| PinkFridge wrote: | | No. I didn't. That explains the Alice Cooper interview. (I'm kind of binge watching youtube clips. [New filter, limited youtube.])AC keeps saying that they both went through addiction and came out Christians, but he did mention a seder at the Campbells. |
From what I read (RollingStone) years ago he was doing a lot of coke and he and Alice wound up in the same treatment program (Betty Ford?) and of course to practice the 12 steps one must have a deity to depend on. Somehow he was influenced by the Messianic way. The deal was sealed when he met his last wife.
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PinkFridge
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Mon, Aug 14 2017, 4:17 pm
| MagentaYenta wrote: | | From what I read (RollingStone) years ago he was doing a lot of coke and he and Alice wound up in the same treatment program (Betty Ford?) and of course to practice the 12 steps one must have a deity to depend on. Somehow he was influenced by the Messianic way. The deal was sealed when he met his last wife. |
Dr. Twerski has a book on the 12 steps in which he tries to show that being a spiritual person does not mean being a deist, which makes the 12 steps accessible to all.
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MagentaYenta
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Mon, Aug 14 2017, 4:19 pm
| PinkFridge wrote: | | Dr. Twerski has a book on the 12 steps in which he tries to show that being a spiritual person does not mean being a deist, which makes the 12 steps accessible to all. |
I worked in the recovery industry and that is also what it taught in 12 step recovery.
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PinkFridge
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Mon, Aug 14 2017, 4:24 pm
| MagentaYenta wrote: | | I worked in the recovery industry and that is also what it taught in 12 step recovery. |
So then one doesn't need a deity to depend on.
I guess we're both right: for an ardent atheist, this is a lifeline to be able to access the 12 steps. For someone who's lapsed, and not for philosophical reasons, it's probably very natural to return to faith.
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MagentaYenta
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Mon, Aug 14 2017, 4:27 pm
| PinkFridge wrote: | So then one doesn't need a deity to depend on.
I guess we're both right: for an ardent atheist, this is a lifeline to be able to access the 12 steps. For someone who's lapsed, and not for philosophical reasons, it's probably very natural to return to faith. |
We were trained to tell atheists that they could use a tree or an inanimate object like a rock. This was many years before the medical model of recovery became accepted.
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PinkFridge
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Mon, Aug 14 2017, 9:01 pm
| MagentaYenta wrote: | | We were trained to tell atheists that they could use a tree or an inanimate object like a rock. This was many years before the medical model of recovery became accepted. |
I don't get how this would work.
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