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Rochel Leah ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 11:31 am

I don't usually listen to the news as I would rather listen to happy music then the horrible news on the radio, but because of sefirah and no sefira tapes in the car, the radio was on.

there were three stories on children committing crimes..an 18 year old killed his mother grandparents, two family friends and then himself. a 9 year old stabbed her 11 year friend and a 11 year old strangled her mother.

WHAT HAS HAPPEND TO THIS WORLD?

I thanked Hashem that I am raising my child frum with no tv and violence but it is so scary

AweSumThenSum ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 1:47 pm

u think that's bad? how about these:
11 year old girl pregnant in brooklyn. the father is a 15 year old boy - both ultra orthodox.

there is now a curfew on all high school girls living in williamsburg because there was an epidemic of girlfriend/boyfriend relationships.

a frum high school girl from monsey was raped last week by an illegal immigrant.

need more, or is this bad enough?

1stimer ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 2:14 pm

terrible awesum, bottom line is we need to pray hard that our kids turn out alright

Rivka ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 4:21 pm

11 year old! You hear of that about Non jews who are most likely to be white trash. That is pretty scary...I didn't know anything myself at that age, I guess this shows the kids are growing up way faster than we think.
Also the boy was 15, the girl was 11, I get the feeling the boy was more to blame.

proudmom

Tue, May 31 2005, 4:32 pm

My sister was telling me that a teenager in Israel (the low teens) stabbed a girl over 20 times and killed her and he only got 2 months in prison.

another story

a man beat his daughter to death and also only got 2 months in prison.

Tefila ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 5:21 pm

It is scary and there are pedophiles out there too shock

. We have to watch our kids and take nonething for granted daven daven and daven

smile ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 5:23 pm

you know what I am really scared for my kids. Whenever you hear such stories I think how can I protect my children. I know to daven is the best thing but is there anyway in chinuch that you can protect them ?

↑ Tefila ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 6:28 pm

Girl, 9, charged with stabbing 11-year-old pal
Manslaughter case unprecedented for New York CityThe Associated Press
Updated: 7:33 a.m. ET May 31, 2005NEW YORK -

A 9-year-old girl fatally stabbed an 11-year-old girl in the chest with a kitchen knife during a fight over a ball, authorities said.

The 9-year-old, whose name wasn’t released, was charged with manslaughter.

Police spokesman Paul Browne told The New York Times that he was “unaware of anyone younger implicated in such an act in New York City.”

The victim, Queen Washington, 11, was pronounced dead at a hospital.

“I don’t understand how this could happen,” Joyce Porter, Queen’s grandmother, told the Times. She said Queen’s mother had called her earlier that afternoon. “She told me, ’Queen is dead,”’ Porter said, adding, “It was over a ball.”

The girls had been playing together at the 9-year-old’s apartment on Monday, but the girl’s mother had stepped out to borrow something from a neighbor, police said.

A spokesman for the Brooklyn district attorney’s office said the case would go to family court because the girl is younger than 14.

In 1999, 12-year-old Lionel Tate became the youngest person in modern U.S. history to be sentenced to life in prison for the killing of 6-year-old Tiffany Eunick in Florida.

He won a new trial on appeal and went free in January 2004 under a deal that placed him under house arrest for a year followed by probation for 10 years. Now 18, he was arrested this month for allegedly holding up a pizza delivery man at gunpoint

Now don't tell me the media doesn't influence these kids, television is more harmful then some of us think Exclamation

amother ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 7:09 pm

AweSumThenSum wrote:

Sheesh I heard about the rape in Monsey- just so bad. Poor girl. Sad

I hear theres a lot of crazy stories going on like that in Williamsburg- you think maybe because parents there dont talk to their kids about these things and they grow up soo niave??
Growing up in Crown Heights and Coming from Bal Tchuva parents we were not bought up niave so maybe we didnt have a "taiva" to do things that are peer presure.

↑ Tefila ↓

Tue, May 31 2005, 7:28 pm

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Coming from Bal Tchuva parents we were not bought up niave so maybe we didnt have a "taiva" to do things that are peer presure.

Amother that theory doesn't stick sorry! I mean w/h williamsburg, monsey the fruma world in general how minor it is b"h compared to the secular world where they r not so naive Exclamation

↑ amother

Tue, May 31 2005, 7:31 pm

that wasn't my point sorry.

sarahd ↓

Wed, Jun 01 2005, 4:56 am

Hashem yishmereinu, may Hashem protect our children and us.

chavamom ↓

Wed, Jun 01 2005, 10:33 am

TV is mild compared to some of the environments these kids are growing up in. Almost always, these are not 'good kids from good stable homes' if you know what I mean. These are kids from the city where shootings and stabings are common place. The stories I could tell you from being in a city hospital are beyond what most of us can even begin to imagine.
[I'm not addressing the issue of Williamsburg or Monsey, but the issue of young children and crime!]

↑ 1stimer ↓

Wed, Jun 01 2005, 12:26 pm

amother, I heard from an expert in chinuch (a chashuv rav) that that can be a problem with bringing up kids too niave. He bought an example of kids growing up sheltered in jerusalem. One day the lazy postman left the extra copies of a secular newspaper lying around. A kid picked it up and saw it and it had such an impact on him b/c he had never seen it b4 that he was spiritually destroyed.

↑ AweSumThenSum ↓

Wed, Jun 01 2005, 1:06 pm

1stimer, I've heard of such stories before, but the truth is that I have a little problem w/ them. a child that has a solid upbringing and is 100% stable in all aspects of his/her life, should automatically be turned off when looking at the filth in such newspapers. ye, he may find it intriguing, but his upbringing should have imbued in him a sense of "I'm above all that".

↑ Tefila ↓

Wed, Jun 01 2005, 1:53 pm

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a child that has a solid upbringing and is 100% stable in all aspects of his/her life, should automatically be turned off when looking at the filth in such newspapers. ye, he may find it intriguing, but his upbringing should have imbued in him a sense of "I'm above all that".

Awesomethensome can't agree more Thumbs Up

↑ Rivka ↓

Thu, Jun 02 2005, 3:01 pm

I don't think so, if a child is so sheltered it doesn't mean they are brought up stable and really completely believe everything being shown or told to them. They are only children and anything can have an impact. It's like a kid seeing something really horrific that they never saw before and were never told about. It would natrually have a major affect on the child and he will probably be reffered to a therapist. A kid brought up so sheltered and suddenly seeing something so opposite will not be reffered to a therapist because what he saw would be the norm and no one would think to reffer the child to such a person.
Children sheltered from reality by their parents are not really given a chance to express themselves properly and the naivity is imposed on them.

↑ 1stimer ↓

Thu, Jun 02 2005, 3:30 pm

awesum if the child is so sheltered than his upbringing can't instill him with a feeling that he is above that, because he DOESN'T KNOW IT EXISTS. So when he confronts it it can have such a major impact it can destroy him.

Motek ↓

Thu, Jun 02 2005, 5:21 pm

Rivka wrote:

Children sheltered from reality by their parents are not really given a chance to express themselves properly and the naivity is imposed on them.

ah, so the solution is? Expose children to murders and rapes and immodesty on TV and the newspapers so it won't shock them ...

a sheltered child doesn't necessarily have NO IDEA of what's "out there." He might know very well (after all, he walks down the street and encounters pritzus (immodesty) and be taught to avoid it.

↑ AweSumThenSum ↓

Thu, Jun 02 2005, 6:30 pm

1stimer, a child has a very strong sense of right and wrong, and yidden are instinctively modest (one of our 3 inherent traits - modest, compassionate, and gomley chassadim) so that if a child is brought up properly, he/she doesn't haveto be aware of everything out there in order for him to be able to handle it.

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