Tricking School into Accepting Unvaxxed Kids

amother

↑ Forestgreen ↓

Fri, Aug 26 2016, 10:00 am

nursemomma wrote:

Being "in process", you need to actually show proof that you have dr. appointments for the rest of the vaccines. And anyway, if you want a valid religious exemption, you cannot give your child just the first round so it doesn't exactly help anyone...

Right if you are in process, you can't give in a religious exemption. It's one or the other. Once you vaccinate, the religious exemption is not valid.

That's what I said. The child needs to submit a catch up schedules which are scheduled appointments. The child is not required by law to have every vaccine before starting school. If a school tells you they do, that is misleading.

amother

↑ Forestgreen ↓

Fri, Aug 26 2016, 10:10 am

amother wrote:

Why should schools have to accept children whose parents are openly violating Halacha? Yes, we may speak lashon hara but we are not proud of it... Venishmarten meod is a Halacha and following sound accepting medical advice including vaccinations is a must not to mention that there is also a halachic obligation to protect and not endanger others such as those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Seriously.

There is no Halacha that says to vaccinate. There are multiple rabbanim that say you don't have to. Almost all rabbanim say that a school cannot reject a child and deny them a Jewish education because of their vaccination status. The small amount of children that might attend a school with a religious and medical exemptions is so insignificant that they pose little to no risk to the school. Also, not every doctor is so adamant about vaccinating like you want to believe. This is not a black and white issue. There are many different opinions. You can find articles written by educated people for and against. Mandatory vaccinations are actually a problem. They infringe on our freedom and our constitutional rights. if you read my article up thread, you might understand.

↑ Goldie613 ↓

Fri, Aug 26 2016, 11:54 am

amother wrote:

But in order for a child to be accepted in school they need a legal exemption. the only one currently available is a religious exemption.

Probably depends where you are - I believe NY allows for medical exemptions. I have no idea what other states allow, but again, I would hope that sensibility would prevail and a kid with serious medical issues could be exempt anywhere if it was medically indicated.

http://www.newsmax.com/FastFea.....7329/

amother

↑ Coffee ↓

Fri, Aug 26 2016, 12:34 pm

Goldie613 wrote:

From what I understand medical exemption works for that kid with that particular vaccine only. So if one kid has a really scary reaction (or life long complication like I did) you'd have to be an idiot to continue giving the vaccine to your other kids but you can't get a medical exemption for them.

amother

↑ Chocolate ↓

Fri, Aug 26 2016, 1:56 pm

I think we all agree with the supreme court ruling in 1986 saying that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.
Most people agree that some people / families are more vulnerable to environmental toxins.
Why the hatred?
The only thing we disagree on are the numbers. How many people are affected.
A gene has even been identified -mthfr, about half the population has a mutation making it harder for them to detoxify.
Anyone who has a family member or friend who had vaccine damage knows it is real.

suremom ↓

Fri, Aug 26 2016, 3:01 pm

amother wrote:

As if any dr. will give you a medical exemption because your kid has this gene...
btw, this mutation can be developed as well.
as for the supreme court ruling, I only accept the unsafe part not unavoidably Mad

flowerpower

Fri, Aug 26 2016, 5:39 pm

My kids school is extremely strict when it comes to vaccines. They can't start school unless they are fully updated. Then they have these "smart" families that decided to take the natural route. Their kid that was sitting next to mine on the school bus had the mumps. How can they get away with it? Their dr writes them an exempt form stating that what?

pond user ↓

Sat, Aug 27 2016, 4:30 pm

flowerpower wrote:

Just to point out that he wouldn't be sitting on the bus with the mumps. It's a very visual virus and anyone who saw him would know he was infected. Plus he probably would be home with a fever unless he was no longer contagious.

Furthermore, your kid was vaccinated right? So why you worrying? Is it because merck was recently sued for the ineffectiveness of its vaccine? Because it's very likely the kid with the mumps was vaccinated anyway. Just thought I'd point that out.

amother

↑ Forestgreen ↓

Sat, Aug 27 2016, 8:31 pm

flowerpower wrote:

Yea if a child in your child's school had the mumps, it would be all over the news. Don't worry, that 'smart' family would be mortified. Was this an actual story that happened or is this a fear you have that has yet to actually happen? Most importantly, If your vaccinated child is capable of catching the mumps, he/she poses exactly the same risk as the unvaccinated child. If he/she cannot catch the mumps due to the vaccine then why would you be concerned? If vaccines do not always work, then using your logic, there are so many people that can potentially catch the mumps. If you're so scared of people who may not be immune, you should probably stay home because they are everywhere!

And don't explain to me that vaccines are only 90% percent effective and that babies, the elderly, imunocompromised can't be vaccinated. So you're not afraid to be near a baby, an older person, or an imunocompromised person who aren't vaccinated. You're not afraid to be near 10% of people who are vaccinated, but the vaccine didn't work for them. You're probably not checking the vaccine records of everyone you are in contact with (try cleaning ladies and nannies). There are many adults that are not up to date. But you're afraid that a couple of shmucks, maybe 1-2 students per school at most who figured out how to write up a valid religious exemption that was accepted. Those 2 shmucks, you're so afraid of. Please explain using science.

Levtov

Sun, Aug 28 2016, 1:36 am

amother wrote:

YOU CAN ALL ARGUE THAT YOU HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT ABOUT THE DECISION WHETHER TO VACCINATE OR NOT.....
BUT DON'T GIVE ME THE BALONEY" THAT IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION OR TORAH"...

amother

↑ Forestgreen ↓

Sun, Aug 28 2016, 2:11 am

Levtov wrote:

YOU CAN ALL ARGUE THAT YOU HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT ABOUT THE DECISION WHETHER TO VACCINATE OR NOT.....
BUT DON'T GIVE ME THE BALONEY" THAT IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION OR TORAH"...

If someone has a religious belief or a spiritual belief that is anti vaccination and is successful at proving it in a letter, what's that to you? It's between the person, God, and the state. And it's legally recognized. Like I mentioned earlier, if the school thinks it isn't a genuine belief, they can legally challenge it.

The letter doesn't require Levtov's signature on it.

↑ Maya ↓

Sun, Aug 28 2016, 2:39 am

amother wrote:

It is not just between the person, God and the state if the safety of all our children is compromised over this stupidity.

amother

↑ Forestgreen ↓

Sun, Aug 28 2016, 3:08 am

Maya wrote:

What does the law have to do with what I said?
And yes, the law is stupid.

Go run for office. Maya for president!

(I already explained why blaming the tiny percentage of people who hold religious exemptions for every break out that happens makes no sense and I'm not going to repeat myself like a broken record anymore. The reading comprehension is obviously lacking here)

Amarante ↓

Sun, Aug 28 2016, 3:47 am

amother wrote:

Ok, you know better than the law.
The law in 47 states is stupid.

The law has the best of intentions but it is used by people as a subterfuge. So the law is fine but the people who are substituting their judgment for that of scientists and medical professionals 😀😀

I honestly don't know what religions actually bar people from getting vaccinated. Jehovah's Witnesses won't get blood transfusions but I believe their religion permits vaccinating. Xtian Science won't get any sort of medical care. Those are the kind of religious beliefs legislators had in mind - not people who are essentially making up their own religious belief.

The issue is people have a misguided medical belief and then are hiding behind the religious exemption by claiming their religious belief doesn't permit it.

The law when passed didn't assume there would be such wide scale hypocritical use of the exemption.

amother

↑ Forestgreen ↓

Sun, Aug 28 2016, 3:59 am

amother wrote:

Why does a concerned citizen=go run for prez? Is it really that rare to care about people's health?

I was being sarcastic. Like I mentioned earlier, if you want stricter vaccination laws in your state, there are meetings you can attend to voice your opinion. if you are really scared for your child's health, there are 3 states you can move to.