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↑ chocolate moose ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 4:53 pm

shabbos lipgloss is a clear roll on. like deodorant.

↑ Isramom8 ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 5:12 pm

mommalah wrote:

Isramom8 wrote:

As far as I'm aware, applying at least certain kinds of makeup is assur on Shabbos.

Tell me though, does no one here who refrains do any other melachos? Bite nails? Pick at skin? Move any type of muktzah? Use baby wipes without first squeezing them out? Hint to a child to turn off the light? Wet a stain on clothes? Brush hair wrong?

Hilchos Shabbos are very complex and there isn't widespread awareness of some melachos. That makes it harder to think of them as "so bad". Any ideas how to improve this situation?

yes, the schools that we pay exhorbitant amounts of money to should be prioritizing teaching hilchos shabbos.

I learned Hilchos Shabbos in elementary school, high school and seminary, my dh has semicha in it, and there are still things I find unclear. I still find some things challenging. I think we need chizuk in specific areas, like maybe by building up one topic (such as makeup) in a chizuk video, with hashkafa in addition to halacha. Or a play that deals with it. Am I totally nerdy? Or does this speak to other imamothers?

↑ Atali ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 5:16 pm

Isramom8 wrote:

mommalah wrote:

Isramom8 wrote:

yes, the schools that we pay exhorbitant amounts of money to should be prioritizing teaching hilchos shabbos.

I get the impression that the Amothers on this thread know full well that putting on makeup on shabbos is assur and just don't care.

↑ Isramom8 ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 5:25 pm

If people really understood that it's a big deal, and a bunch of women got enthused about a no-applying-makeup-on-Shabbos revolution, they'd care. It just has to be presented in a positive light. Look how the frum velt got stronger in covering hair, shmiras halashon, saying amen, kashrus. We just have to put this on the agenda.

levial

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 5:51 pm

Wow. I made it thru 9 pages.

In the spirit of helping others keep shabbat appropriately - and this is from someone who loves makeup and really threw myself into figuring this out, here goes...

Here's what I do prior to Shabbat, let me know (as someone did with the Estee Lauder I'll now try) any other great tips

1.) Foundation I don't expect to last. I just use my prescriptives stuff, otherwise I'd have to use the "wedding" makeup tactics and I don't do that unless necessary (primer is costly!)
2.) Blush - I use Revlon's color stay long lasting blush. It does not last through the morning. I use Shabbat blush, the brand I bought from a Chabad Rebbetzin to touch up in the am.
3.) Eyeshaddow - I started using Revlon's color stay long lasting eyeshaddow, something in a dark color such as dark gray. It lasts thru end of shul at least, but not thru a nap!
4.) Eyeliner - Revlon color stay again, in black or brown. I then take an eyeliner brush and "powder" the line to make it last. This is the one item that does last through Havdalah for me.
5.) Waterproof mascara. Maybelline. On curled lashes
6.) Covergirl 16 hour lipstick in a shade no more than 2 shades darker than my lips. (See the inside of your lip and match the color). I have very pale lips and I like to look like I am wearing lipstick. Unless I don't let it dry or I eat lots of oily foods, it lasts through shul, and somewhat past lunch.I don't do a red or such because as it wears off, it's obvious, but a slight shade difference looks subtle.

Rachie1

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 6:02 pm

I don't wear makeup on Shabbos, other than my bare minerals, but my sister and I ran a test one day because she thought the brand Hard Candy was very resilient. We tested the eye makeup and it even lasted thru a shower, so I imagine that it might last long enough thru the night (not like you are going to be running around in showers on Shabbos, but you get the idea).

↑ amother ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 6:27 pm

BIGFAN OFALL REVLON COLORTAY PRODUCTS!!

↑ Atali ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 6:32 pm

Isramom8 wrote:

Okay, I see your point

↑ Chocoholic

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 7:00 pm

Live and let live.

↑ WriterMom

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 7:15 pm

On a lighter note - and I get that it's a different issue for women with scarring - the thought of sleeping with makeup on bugs me far more than being make-up free on Shabbat. I hate the feel of foundation, and look forward to washing my face the few times (interviews, weddings, big meetings) when I wear full make-up.

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Mon, Oct 26 2009, 7:51 pm

.[/quote]

I learned Hilchos Shabbos in elementary school, high school and seminary, my dh has semicha in it, and there are still things I find unclear. I still find some things challenging. I think we need chizuk in specific areas, like maybe by building up one topic (such as makeup) in a chizuk video, with hashkafa in addition to halacha. Or a play that deals with it. Am I totally nerdy? Or does this speak to other imamothers?[/quote]

You're assuming totally nerdy is a chisaron Very Happy

You're on to something. But please, please, l'maan Hashem, NOT a play!!!

louche ↓

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 12:33 am

lizard8 wrote:

Some people's faces just hold the makeup. I know some people that dont lose a bit of eyeliner or mascara, and some who look like their makeup was just applied. Unfortunately you do not have that, but do not accuse others of lying!!

Has anyone heard of Fresh-Ups? I haven't seen them in years but I've seen something like that under another name. these are tracing-paper thin linen tissues that are used to blot excess oil from the skin. I used them when I was an oily-faced teen and had to degrease my face at regular intervals, but they were touted as the ideal way to refresh makeup without having to reapply it. They supposedly make the makeup look brand-new.

Ah, here it is: they're called Andrea FaceQs Fresh-Ups and they're still sold.

↑ louche ↓

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 12:49 am

I bought liquid eyeliner with the "brush" that's something like a felt-tipped pen. That stuff is scary. It was still there after using soap & water, mineral oil, Vaseline, cold cream and Almay eye makeup remover. There were still traces of it there 2 weeks later, after umpty-ump showers.

I once decided NOT to buy Bliss lip stain pen. It looked like a permanent magic marker that was all color and no moisture, and seemed like something that would dry the lips. I dislike even the long-lasting lip colors with the twinned lip balm because they make my lips feel so dry, even with generous applications of the lip balm. Anyway, my friend uses the Bliss lip stain, and the color seems to last forever.

This is only by way of pointing out that there ARE long-lasting make-ups that are as close to permanent as anything painted onto skin can be, and would certainly look fresh overnight. I'm of the opinion that anything that long-lasting can't be good for you, and the thought of going to bed without washing my face, let alone a face full of not merely makeup but extra long-lasting makeup, conjures up images of models in Goldfinger dying because their skin had been painted over. I'll pass, thanks, but for the cynical and so-certain-people-are-lying OP, don't be so sure.

Anyway, I fail to see how it's any of your business what people are doing in the privacy of their homes.

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 10:21 am

louche wrote:

Anyway, I fail to see how it's any of your business what people are doing in the privacy of their homes.

Absolutely.
But it's still a sad sad situation.

↑ amother ↓

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:00 am

louche wrote:

lizard8 wrote:

Yup, I use the Clean & Clear oil absorbing sheets on Shabbos morning. They are great.

↑ Isramom8 ↓

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:02 am

Before we get all excited about these absorbing sheets, are they okay for Shabbos? Because you're not allowed to soak cloth.

↑ amother ↓

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:20 am

Isramom8 wrote:

Before we get all excited about these absorbing sheets, are they okay for Shabbos? Because you're not allowed to soak cloth.

It's a plastic sheet. There is no squeezing involved either.

Hashem_Yaazor

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:50 am

Atali wrote:

People will know that you keep shabbos by not putting on makeup. What is the big deal?

My rav says it's kavod Shabbos to be walking around with that little stain you got on your Shabbos clothes and was not allowed to remove. It's not kavod Shabbos to have removed it to look so impeccable.
I think that's very fitting here.

aeg770

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 11:55 am

Good ideas are the "2 face shaddow insurance" a silicon based cream for the eyelids to use before eye shadow, l'oreal infallible foundation, followed by revlon colorstay pressed powder, same brand for bluse, plus the "make up for ever mist & fix", the "urban decay 24/7 eyeliner pencil", maybelline waterpfroof mascara and either revlon colorstay, or covergirl or max factor long lasting lip color. I'm using the "boschia" blotting sheets shabes morning and make up looks great, even in 2 day yt (not like I've just aplied it, but enough for a makeup addict who never leaves the house without makeup on, go to shul and be confident about my looks!)
all the "..." products I just found out at sephora, not cheap but for shabbes kodesh it's worth!

Tue, Oct 27 2009, 12:35 pm

ra_mom wrote:

WriterMom wrote:

intel wrote:

I guess daas tora (real das tora) is needed to make this decision but this is what I'm saying; if you encourage someone to come to shul and you KNOW they will drive, you are encouraging them to drive on shabbos. I don't think it is your business what else they would be doing otherwise, whether it's driving to the mall, watching tv, etc. you can't be the one to encourage them to be mechallel shabbos. maybe I'm wrong. (idk what happened to the prev post.)

Has there been "fake" daas tora?

I can understand where you're coming from, but there is a world of kiruv workers, and just plain frum non-kiruv workers, who invite non-frum Jews to shul and for shabbat dinner or lunch. Are you really saying you think they're doing something wrong? I can get that you're not comfortable with it yourself, but I have trouble with the implicit critique of a large swathe of the orthodox world.

I didn't read your whole discussion on this issue, but I was told not to invite an irreligious person for a meal on Shabbos if they do not live within walking distance. In such a case, I was told to only invite them to sleep over for the entire Shabbos. Of course, if they live within walking distance, and drove over to my home on Shabbos, I was told that that shouldn't be my concern.
So there must be differnt Shitas on this one.

my parents had this question. the rav told them that they could invite a guest from different city, but MUST stress that the invitation is for the whole shabbos, and they can sleep over. if the guest then decides to only come for a seuda, it is ok, for my parents to go ahead with it, even if they will obviously drive over.
My parents did this. the guest said he'd come for friday night meal. my parents then told him to come early, so they can participate in the prayer services in shul, AND like this he would only drive the way home on shabbos, but on the way over, it will be erev shabbos.

it worked out great, he came erev shabbos, really enjoyed the shul experience and the seuda.
it made a positive impact on him, and you never know where that will take him!!

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