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HindaRochel
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Sat, Jun 13 2009, 10:44 am
GR wrote: | I am not against religious garb.
I am against covering up one's entire body, especially the face, when some of these people need to be ID'ed publicly, for security reasons.
There is a huge difference between covering the hair and covering the entire head. |
Agreed GR. Women, Muslim or not, are maltreated in Muslim countries. It has nothing to do with the dress.
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ora_43
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Sat, Jun 13 2009, 3:30 pm
nylon wrote: | The Palestinians did suffer for 60 years. The problem is not in acknowledging Palestinian suffering. It happened. The problem is that Israel is normally given sole blame for it, when really, their so-called Arab "brethren" need to do a little self-examination. Israel didn't make the Arabs keep the Palestinians in camps for decades. Obama only acknowledged suffering; he did not place blame. There was no other timespan he could have chosen, I think. It was the politically safe choice, and true too. Palestinian suffering began the minute the Arabs decided to turn down the partition plan on behalf of the Palestinians, and to fight a war instead. |
The problem is that Obama didn't just say "the Palestinians have suffered for sixty years." He said they have suffered "the pain of dislocation" for sixty years, and the pain of "occupation" for an unspecified length of time. He is not merely "acknowledging" suffering. He is attributing it to a source -- and while he doesn't name names, it's pretty clear he's talking about Israel, not about whatever mistreatment Arab countries have been guilty of.
Look at his statement -- the source of the pain is not the fact that Arabs who fled Israel were in camps, but their "dislocation," the fact that they weren't in their natural location, ie, Israel. And he's saying this is the source of their current pain as well (well, that and "occupation," with him not clarifying what he means -- 42 years? 61 years? To say "sixty years of pain" and then give "occupation" as the cause of that pain implies sixty years of occupation...)... In which case, what is he proposing as a solution to that pain? If the problem is "dislocation," what's the solution?
Also, most people who identify as "Palestinian" do not live in camps and never have. So if someone is talking about "Palestinian suffering," it's not at all clear that he means "the suffering of the roughly 25 percent of Palestinians who live in refugee camps." Given that he didn't specify, it sounds like he's talking about all Palestinians, meaning the "pain" he refers to is not the pain of life in camps, but something else, shared also by those (the majority) who live in countries/areas where they may live and work where they please.
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Besiyata Dishmaya
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Sun, Jun 14 2009, 2:33 pm
HindaRochel wrote: | Tamiri wrote: | How can people be so totally opposed in their thinking about this man (scary/G-d)? Who are the fools? Anyone? No one? Everyone? |
What frightens me is the adoration of this man by his followers. They act and treat him as if he were a god. I think that is frightening. I have seen it among many. |
Rush Limbaugh:
What's the Difference Between G-d and Obama?
What do Obama and G-d have in common? Neither has a birth certificate.
How do they differ? G-d does not think he's Obama.
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