Obama Breeds Climate of Hate Against the Jews

Barbara

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 11:25 am

HindaRochel wrote:

bubby wrote:

Of course, nylon, that's exactly what I'm saying. We conservatives are ALWAYS wrong. Obviously. How could we be anything but, when we don't bow down before this G-d (as he has been called by more than one commentator & goodness knows how many mere mortals)

Oh, it was Newsweek editor Evan Thomas who said it: "In a way, Obama's standing above the country, above – above the world. He's sort of God. .. (and the interviewer, Chris Matthews didn't stop him, but agreed...saying "yeah".)

Well bubby, I guess the sort of saves it.
He's only sort of god. (sigh)
I find it scary.

And the Beatles were bigger that J*sus. So what?

Without reading more (& I don't have time to do so today), it stirkes me that stating that Obama is *sort of a Gd* is a form of criticism of some of his supporters -- suggesting that they don't engage in any critical analysis of his words or actions, and that instead they engage in knee-jerk support. Rather what many of the conservatives here are saying.

There are parts of the bail-out that I'm not thrilled with, particularly with respect to the automotive industry. I don't necessarily think that Sotomayer was the best choice for SCOTUS, particuarly after the rhetoric about selecting a different type of Justice, with more practical experience. Feel better now?

OTOH, to suggest that the shooting at the Holocaust Museum, perpetrated by a man who spent DECADES spewing hatred against Jews and blacks, was motivated by Obama is simply absurd. Unless the suggestion is that we need to keep blacks (and Jews) away from all positions of power or authority in an effort to appease racists.

As to Obama's speech, this is what he said in Cairo,

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Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction – or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews – is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.

On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people - Muslims and Christians - have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations - large and small - that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.*

He further said

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Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding. This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia. It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered.

In short, Obama does not state or imply that the suffering experienced by the Palestinians is equal or comparable to the Holocaust, and when Tom Brokaw later tried to equate the Holocaust with the experiences of Palestinians, Obama corrected him.

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↑ mugsisme ↓

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 11:32 am

OK, I have to say that I do feel a little better. (I mean about the ladies who said there are some things they aren't happy about.)

Good points. Truthfully, I don't know anything about the hijab. I do wonder about how nothing is said about how muslims mistreat women. I do believe it is a widely known fact.

I also thought that the points about Saudia Arabia were very important. I didn't realize that xtains have a hard time under muslims as well. I did some searches, and found churches that have been vandalized, and a reverend who has been attack numerous times.

As far as the comment Evan Thomas made, well go to you tube, and look for them. (I can't post them. My dh put an ad blocker on here and now I can't see any videos at all. Guess who is going to be fixing this later when he gets home from work?)

I did find an article about the Holocaust Museum shooter where it said he hated Bush and McCain. I think he is on neither side, not the right nor the left. I don't either side wants him, either.

↑ princessleah

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 11:52 am

mugsisme wrote:

Good points. Truthfully, I don't know anything about the hijab. I do wonder about how nothing is said about how muslims mistreat women. I do believe it is a widely known fact.

This is a very slippery slope. If you want to protect your religious freedom to cover your hair (and I don't mean specifically "you," more everyone), wear skirts in any environment, long sleeves, etc. then you have to embrace religious freedom for everybody. And if it strikes you as "mistreatment" of women the way some of them (especially in Saudi Arabia) are treated: they are forbidden to drive, are not educated, etc.
Some of the practices of Jews can be viewed similarly by other outside groups (for example, I've read things discouraging women from driving on the basis of tznius). Nobody has to be reminded of the opposition to shechita on moral grounds.

↑ HindaRochel ↓

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 11:57 am

princessleah wrote:

mugsisme wrote:

Good points. Truthfully, I don't know anything about the hijab. I do wonder about how nothing is said about how muslims mistreat women. I do believe it is a widely known fact.

The dress has nothing to do with it. (and I'm not sure if you were commenting on Mugsime's statement or not but I don't think she was against the hijab or thought that specifically meant the women were mistreated).

I have nothing against anyone practicing their religion or covering up in any way that suits them as long as other people aren't denied basic rights. I respect women who cover, much more than women who let it all hang out to be honest.

But, as a friend on another group said, she would not want to move to a Muslim country (as a Muslim) because of the treatment of women there.

Muslims are entitled to practice their own religion. Muslims should be able to do this freely in all countries, as should Jews and Christians. Muslims shouldn't be forced to do this anywhere.

↑ Clarissa ↓

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 12:05 pm

HindaRochel wrote:

Tamiri wrote:

How can people be so totally opposed in their thinking about this man (scary/G-d)? Who are the fools? Anyone? No one? Everyone?

What frightens me is the adoration of this man by his followers. They act and treat him as if he were a god. I think that is frightening. I have seen it among many.

I also find his actions, policies and statements faulty and problematic. I think his policies are ruinous for the USA.

So, not only don't I like him, but how he is catered to is frightening as well. I think it is dangerous when one person has that much power both politically and popularly.

Honestly, I'm surrounded by people who voted for Obama, and I haven't seen that. But there are idiots in every group, and there are certainly people who don't want to see the good AND the bad, on both sides. I remember people blindly supporting Bush as he blundered his way through every issue, and there are some very stubborn, and ignorant people who continue to refuse to see the negatives in that administration. Give intelligent people credit, and feel free to criticize those who are behaving like idiots, no matter what side they're on.

It's just to easy to post, on every thread discussing the president, that people like him too much. So? If people liked the other guy, it proves people can like anybody.

↑ mugsisme

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 12:10 pm

I wasn't talking about the way they dress in Muslim countries. Women are mistreated. They are beaten if they suspected of not being loyal to their husbands or worse. I saw a video on thirdjihadwatch.org or something like that. A man is publicly flogging a woman. The woman is screaming. There are pictures of how they treat gays. It is horrifying. And while I don't agree with gay marriage, I don't believe a man and his lover should be beaten and hung. Link to video You can't help but feel so sorry for these women. I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to dress the way they do. I think Yiddishkeit holds women very high. Anyone who bothers to learn it would know it. People who say otherwise haven't studied the laws.

I agree with HindaRochel. Some of the supporters I have encountered have only wonderful things to say of him. When you have an editor of a major outlet comparing Obama to god, it gets scary for us. That is why I said, I am happy to hear that yes, there are some things that his supporters here are unhappy about it.

May I also say that I am thrilled beyond words that we are able to talk civilly? I do remember at the election there was a lot of name calling (on both sides; I myself was guilty of this as well). The only way for us to hold discussions like this is through listening to others. Thank you ladies for helping me to understand and painting a clearer picture of what is going on in the heads of some of you!

I just wanted to add that I heard the Obama raised the money given to the NIH, which is something I had hoped Bush would do. So that is one thing I am happy about.

↑ HindaRochel ↓

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 12:14 pm

Clarissa wrote:

I agree there are nuts in all groups Clarissa. I agree that Bush was not a good president, although I think he was better than some give him credit for. I don't think t hat Bush blundered his way through every issue.

But I have seen a lot more adoration for Obama than I ever did for Bush, or even Regan. And it does frighten me. There is a worship of this man that is not normal. It isn't just people on this board or on that board or here and there in the media. It is from many groups that I am on, many email lists, many interviews many statements.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not feel it is a healthy atmosphere. And I think it could be very dangerous.

↑ gryp ↓

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 4:20 pm

HindaRochel wrote:

princessleah wrote:

mugsisme wrote:

Good points. Truthfully, I don't know anything about the hijab. I do wonder about how nothing is said about how muslims mistreat women. I do believe it is a widely known fact.

I don't think a religion that abuses women and kids is a religion at all. Should anyone be allowed to do anything at all in the name of religion?
Have you ever seen pictures of women buried up to their necks and stoned? (Saudi Arabia)
Have you seen the videos of "immodest" women being dragged into a car by the "tznius police?" (Saudi Arabia)
Have you read the stories of fathers, uncles, and brothers, torturing to death their female relative on suspicion of them wanting to marry someone other than the guy who was chosen for them? (everywhere in the world, here in the US as well)
Or others like the story this past week, of an Arab father and other male relatives hanging the 15 yr old son on suspicion of collaborating with Israel.
Or the stories in Afganistan of the Taliban throwing acid at the girls on their way to school. Many of them had burns on different parts of their bodies, lost eyes, etc.
Or the announcements by imams that if a woman is raped it is her own fault.
Or the fatwas against people who left Islam, that all Muslims have an obligation to seek them out and murder them.
Or that a woman is not allowed to be in a work place with another man, unless the man is related to her. To "solve" this issue, one imam came out with a ruling that you can "make" a man related to a woman by the man breastfeeding from her. Or if that wouldn't work, the man may breastfeed from her mother or sister.

This is not religion, this is sickness and abuse beyond extreme. They may call it religion, that doesn't mean we have to accept that it is.

Atali

Fri, Jun 12 2009, 6:37 pm

princessleah wrote:

mugsisme wrote:

Good points. Truthfully, I don't know anything about the hijab. I do wonder about how nothing is said about how muslims mistreat women. I do believe it is a widely known fact.

I agree, which is why I get really annoyed when frum women join the anti-hijab movement