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amother









  
Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 12:52 pm       Post subject: please give me a source....segulah
I am wondering if anyone has seen a source for it being a segulah to take challah during the ninth month of pregnancy to have an easy childbirth. I have seen it in several places but not written with a source. TIA!!!
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Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 1:00 pm       Post subject: re: please give me a source....segulah
I don't think there is a source. It's an inyan for the woman to do 'holy' things while pregnant.
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Sherri









  
Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 1:05 pm       Post subject: re: please give me a source....segulah
And taking Challah is considered a tikkun for Chava's role in the sin of Adam- and painful childbirth is her punishment, maybe there is a connection...
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YESHASettler









  
Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 1:15 pm       Post subject:
It's Halacha.

Usually Segulot aren't something one is Halachically obligated to do. Or am I wrong?
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Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 1:19 pm       Post subject:
YESHASettler wrote:
It's Halacha.

Usually Segulot aren't something one is Halachically obligated to do. Or am I wrong?
What's Halacha? To take Challah in the ninth month?
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YESHASettler









  
Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 1:22 pm       Post subject:
No, to take Challah any time you make dough over a certain amount.
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life'sgreat









  
Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 1:51 pm       Post subject:
YESHASettler wrote:
No, to take Challah any time you make dough over a certain amount.
Ah. I don't think that was the question of this thread.
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chatz









  
Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 2:08 pm       Post subject: re: please give me a source....segulah
I have heard that when a women is giving birth, she is judged on "her" 3 mitzvos: challah, Taharas Hamishpacha, & candle lighting. So it would make sense to get "points" in those 3 areas before giving birth.

I'll try to find a source.
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YESHASettler









  
Post Posted: Sun, Jan 03 2010, 2:25 pm       Post subject:
life'sgreat wrote:
YESHASettler wrote:
No, to take Challah any time you make dough over a certain amount.
Ah. I don't think that was the question of this thread.


I know that. The OP asked if there is any source regarding taking Challah during the 9th month as a Segulah for an easy labor.

I replied that it is a Halachic obligation regardless of when a woman does it and therefore may not be a specific Segulah. (That the fact that one is Halachically obligated, it might negate it from necessarily being a Segulah).
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Sherri









  
Post Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 4:28 pm       Post subject:
YESHASettler wrote:
life'sgreat wrote:
YESHASettler wrote:
No, to take Challah any time you make dough over a certain amount.
Ah. I don't think that was the question of this thread.


I know that. The OP asked if there is any source regarding taking Challah during the 9th month as a Segulah for an easy labor.

I replied that it is a Halachic obligation regardless of when a woman does it and therefore may not be a specific Segulah. (That the fact that one is Halachically obligated, it might negate it from necessarily being a Segulah).
Are you saying that you don't think a mitzvah can be a segulah?
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PinkFridge









  
Post Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 5:37 pm       Post subject:
YESHASettler wrote:
life'sgreat wrote:
YESHASettler wrote:
No, to take Challah any time you make dough over a certain amount.
Ah. I don't think that was the question of this thread.


I know that. The OP asked if there is any source regarding taking Challah during the 9th month as a Segulah for an easy labor.

I replied that it is a Halachic obligation regardless of when a woman does it and therefore may not be a specific Segulah. (That the fact that one is Halachically obligated, it might negate it from necessarily being a Segulah).


Last year Rabbi Reisman spoke about segulos. Not quite his bag, on the whole. But he did mention some traditional segulos, e.g. one for arichas yamim - honoring parents Wink
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Post Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 6:11 pm       Post subject: Re: re: please give me a source....segulah
chatz wrote:
I have heard that when a women is giving birth, she is judged on "her" 3 mitzvos: challah, Taharas Hamishpacha, & candle lighting. So it would make sense to get "points" in those 3 areas before giving birth.

I'll try to find a source.

What you're saying is a Chazal. From this Chazal, the composer of the zemeiros of יום שבת קודש הוא sung ליל שבת קודש mentions specifically:
נשים נרות תדליקנה וחוק נדות תחזיקנה והחלות תסיקנה יגן בעדן זכותן יום בא עת לדתן
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YESHASettler









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 1:23 am       Post subject:
Sherri wrote:
YESHASettler wrote:
life'sgreat wrote:
YESHASettler wrote:
No, to take Challah any time you make dough over a certain amount.
Ah. I don't think that was the question of this thread.


I know that. The OP asked if there is any source regarding taking Challah during the 9th month as a Segulah for an easy labor.

I replied that it is a Halachic obligation regardless of when a woman does it and therefore may not be a specific Segulah. (That the fact that one is Halachically obligated, it might negate it from necessarily being a Segulah).
Are you saying that you don't think a mitzvah can be a segulah?


A mitzvah is an obligation and we get 'points' for doing it (or not if that's the Mitzvah) the way it is mandated.

A Segulah is a mystical addition for extra brownie points.

Do you see the distinction?

I'm not saying a Mitzvah isn't a Segulah because I don't know. IMO, because a Segulah is not an obligation whereas a Mitzvah is, I don't think it is logical to place added 'Segula status' to a Mitzvah... understood?


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Marion









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:24 am       Post subject:
Gemara Shabbat?

Bameh madlikin, uvmeh ain madlikin... If you look at the mishnah we read between kabbalat Shabbat & ma'ariv, the 6th verse reads:

על שלש עברות נשים מתות בשעת לדתן: על שאינן זהירות בנדה, בחלה, ובהדלקת הנר.

"Due to 3 sins do women die at the time of childbirth: due to carelessness in niddah, challah, and lighting candles."

As YESHA says, though, I'm not sure that doing any of those 3 things properly turns it from being a mitzvah to a segulah.
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entropy









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:32 am       Post subject: re: please give me a source....segulah
There is no halacha that mandates one to be in a position where taking challa is a requirement.
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YESHASettler









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:36 am       Post subject: Re: re: please give me a source....segulah
entropy wrote:
There is no halacha that mandates one to be in a position where taking challa is a requirement.


Sure there is... if you are making bread dough and using a certain amount of flour, you are then Halachically required to do Hafrashat Challah.
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entropy









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:38 am       Post subject: Re: re: please give me a source....segulah
YESHASettler wrote:
entropy wrote:
There is no halacha that mandates one to be in a position where taking challa is a requirement.


Sure there is... if you are making bread dough and using a certain amount of flour, you are then Halachically required to do Hafrashat Challah.


bolding mine.
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Marion









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:40 am       Post subject:
I think Entropy's point is that halacha doesn't state "if you bake bread (or any other dough that meets the requirements) you MUST use enough flour to be able to take challah with a bracha".

Which is not the same as "if you bake bread with volume x of flour, then challah must be taken with a bracha".
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entropy









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:43 am       Post subject: re: please give me a source....segulah
Yes. Also, there is no halacha that states: "you must bake bread"
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YESHASettler









  
Post Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:49 am       Post subject:
Many Mitzvot are like that though.

Shmitta only pertains to Israel. If I were living in Chu"L, do I need to go out of my way to buy Israeli produce to fulfill various Shmitta-related Mitzvot? Of course not.

The laws of Kashering chickens relate only to those who are actually doing the Kashering... do I need to go out of my way to buy a slaughtered, unKashered chicken (or even raw livers) simply to perform the Mitzvot? Of course not.

However if I DO decide to buy raw chicken livers, it is incumbent upon me to perform the proper Halachot to ensure Kosher livers.

When things go wrong in a person's life, often people say 'check your Mezuzot'. Having a Kosher Mezuzah on your doorpost isn't a Segulah, that's the Halacha. Part of the purpose of the Mezuzah is to protect. If the Klaf becomes Passul, you're not observing the Mitzvah properly anymore.
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