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amother

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 4:03 am

Are we allowed to eat it?
It doesn’t say kemach yoshon

amother

Powderblue

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 4:05 am

Many prob majority of people aren’t makpid on yoshon.. if they have a hechsher -I think it’s ou they are kosher but kosher and yoshon are not the same thing

oneofakind

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 4:23 am

Kosher yes

amother

Pansy

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 4:28 am

amother OP wrote:

Are we allowed to eat it?
It doesn’t say kemach yoshon

It's kosher, not yoshon.

Hashem_Yaazor

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 4:34 am

It wouldn't be a yoshon issue if bought this week regardless.

amother

DarkGray

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 4:43 am

Yes, I use them all the time. Don't keep yoshon.

Interesting halacha I learned that if dough is kneaded by a g*y but baked by a jew, as in this case, you do not need to take challah from it.

amother

Cappuccino

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 4:45 am

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

It wouldn't be a yoshon issue if bought this week regardless.

Why?

Hashem_Yaazor

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 5:03 am

amother Cappuccino wrote:

Why?

Until at least August 20th this year, wheat products can be purchased without worrying it was using flour from after Pesach (unless you're in the Midwest and it's a freshly baked item, but Rhodes isn't that)

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amother

Leaf

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 5:04 am

amother DarkGray wrote:

Yes, I use them all the time. Don't keep yoshon.

Interesting halacha I learned that if dough is kneaded by a g*y but baked by a jew, as in this case, you do not need to take challah from it.

But the bakeries do take Challa,
even though their workers are making the dough..maybe it has to do with ownership, rather than who kneads it?

amother

Leaf

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 5:06 am

amother OP wrote:

Are we allowed to eat it?
It doesn’t say kemach yoshon

Are you from Israel?
I believe Yoshon is a Kosher requirement in Eretz Yisroel; and if it’s not Yoshon (when Yoshon applies), then it wouldn’t be Kosher.
But outside of Eretz Yisroel, Yoshon is not in this same category of Halacha.

amother

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 12:05 pm

Ok thanks everybody
I’m in Brooklyn
My mom is in Israel and she taught me we only use yoshon flour
My in laws use Rhodes dough and I was wondering if I can have

dena613

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 12:12 pm

amother OP wrote:

Ok thanks everybody
I’m in Brooklyn
My mom is in Israel and she taught me we only use yoshon flour
My in laws use Rhodes dough and I was wondering if I can have

Yoshon is seasonal

Highstrung

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 12:17 pm

amother OP wrote:

Ok thanks everybody
I’m in Brooklyn
My mom is in Israel and she taught me we only use yoshon flour
My in laws use Rhodes dough and I was wondering if I can have

You follow your husband’s minhag. If he’s not makpid on yoshon then you follow that .

amother

Leaf

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 1:20 pm

dena613 wrote:

Yoshon is seasonal

It’s also different in Eretz Yisroel vs out of EY.
In EY it’s an absolute requirement. Out of EY, it isn’t.

amother

Iris

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 1:31 pm

amother OP wrote:

Are we allowed to eat it?
It doesn’t say kemach yoshon

Non heimish products typically don't say whether they are yoshon ( and not all heimish products are labeled). You have to look at the dates yo determine if it's yoshon or not.

Yoshon "season" is only barely starting. The vast majority of things are still yoshom.

amother

Khaki

Thu, Aug 17 2023, 3:56 pm

As posted above these are still fine this week. You can always check yoshon.com to find the latest info and dates when specific companies start using the new wheat as even once yoshon starts some products are still yoshon.

amother

Arcticblue

Tue, Jan 23 2024, 9:27 am

amother DarkGray wrote:

Interesting halacha I learned that if dough is kneaded by a g*y but baked by a jew, as in this case, you do not need to take challah from it.

I just bought these for the first time, so I need to take challah from it? It’s a bag of 72 frozen rolls

amother

Bone

Tue, Jan 23 2024, 10:35 am

amother DarkGray wrote:

Yes, I use them all the time. Don't keep yoshon.

Interesting halacha I learned that if dough is kneaded by a g*y but baked by a jew, as in this case, you do not need to take challah from it.

From Star-K website

If the dough was kneaded in the possession of a gentile, and the Jew then acquires the product, there is no obligation for hafrashas Challah.
For example, Challah is not taken from bread or cookies manufactured by a non-Jewish company, even when a Jewish customer buys them.
The same is true when one purchases frozen dough kneaded while it was owned by a gentile. However, if one purchases dough that was mixed/kneaded while it was owned by a Jew who was not mafrish Challah, one must perform hafrashas Challah as soon as possible.

amother

Arcticblue

Tue, Jan 23 2024, 2:53 pm

How would we know if the company is owned by a Jewish person

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