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amother

Sapphire

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:20 pm

What is the shoresh of lehagid, magid, vayaged, etc.?
It's it a two written shores h or is a letter dropped?

gingertop ↓

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:42 pm

I think it's נ-ג-ד but I'm not sure why- the נ is never used.

amother

Tangerine ↓

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:53 pm

What about hagada? Has three letters there?

amother

↑ Tangerine ↓

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:54 pm

And vihagadata?

amother

↑ Tangerine

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:55 pm

I'm not Israeli don't know Hebrew but I would think the shores is הגד

Metukah ↓

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:56 pm

gingertop wrote:

I think it's נ-ג-ד but I'm not sure why- the נ is never used.

I think so too

↑ Metukah

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:57 pm

amother wrote:

What about hagada? Has three letters there?

Same נ ג ד

↑ gingertop ↓

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 4:58 pm

From what I understand, the shoresh of both is with the nun. But it's probably too confusing for kids. I remember this vaguely but I don't really understand it

here's a link with a chart that shows that the shoresh of haggadah and vehigadita is with a nun
https://he.wiktionary.org/wiki.....D7%94
If you click on the letters of the shoresh in the chart, it takes you to the page of that shoresh

amother

Peach

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 5:02 pm

DH says the shoresh is
Magid

Neged- means against

WitchKitty ↓

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 5:24 pm

Oh yay, this is fun!! Takes me back to high school.
Okay.
להגיד:
The shoresh, according to modern hebrew rules, has to be נגד
if it would be מגד the word would be להמגיד
if it would be יגד the word would be להוגיד
And so on.
There is a rule called פ"נ- which means the first letter of the shoresh is a nun. Then, in binyan hef'il/huf'al it is deleted, and there is a dagesh in the next letter. - In the gimmel, in this case.
This is similar to the words להגיר, להגיף, להגיש

↑ gingertop

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 5:26 pm

fsr wrote:

Cool. I remembered this vaguely but really amazing explanation. How do you remember this from HS??

↑ WitchKitty

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 5:35 pm

gingertop wrote:

Cool. I remembered this vaguely but really amazing explanation. How do you remember this from HS??

This is to show all the teachers you're not teaching in vain!!
But seriously? I went to an Israeli school. To me this is like asking about quadratic equations.. It's in your brain forever.

iyar

Thu, Nov 01 2018, 5:39 pm

fsr wrote:

Took me right back to high school with you! Smile

Just wanted to say, the rules of nun as first letter of the shoresh aren't modern Hebrew. The rules of conjugating verbs are from lashon kodesh. You'll find dozens of examples of this shoresh used this way (with the nun dropped) throughout Tana"ch.

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