 |
|
 |
 |
|
|
Forum
-> In the News
shabbatiscoming
↓
|
 Fri, May 27 2022, 2:54 am
| number wrote: | | At the end of the day, for a tragedy to happen of this magnitude there were many mistakes. Starting with the shooter being able to not only get into the school building, but into a classroom, and be able to barricade himself in. I hope all schools in the country learn from this. | While we can all hope that that is the case, there was a list going around a few days ago, on face book, of all of the schools that have had gun violence occur over the years. The number is well over 200. So, we can hope, but it doesnt look like anything is actually happening. The first gun violence at a school was well over 20 years ago. 
| |
|
| Back to top |
 0
 4
|
↑
shabbatiscoming
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 3:00 am
| number wrote: | | I just heard that there was no guard at the school. Not even an unarmed guard. Wow. | An unarmed guard is worth nothing at all.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
7
|
Heyaaa
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 4:28 am
|
Gun violence is horrible and death is horrible but people are pretending like this is unusual. Something happened in Boston and Texas the same week but the distance between the two locations is almost as big as the length of Europe. It’s like saying that if something happened in Norway then France is to blame because they are not separated by water, even though they’re nowhere near each other. The media wants you to link the two because then they can take away your right to defend yourself while the cowardly police stand around. Did you know that over 500 people are murdered every year in Chicago, sometimes closer to 1000?
| |
|
| Back to top |
3
5
|
ora_43
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 5:47 am
| Heyaaa wrote: | | Gun violence is horrible and death is horrible but people are pretending like this is unusual. Something happened in Boston and Texas the same week but the distance between the two locations is almost as big as the length of Europe. It’s like saying that if something happened in Norway then Russia is to blame because they are not separated by water, even though they’re nowhere near each other. The media wants you to link the two because then they can take away your right to defend yourself while the cowardly police stand around. Did you know that over 500 people are murdered every year in Chicago, sometimes closer to 1000? |
Nobody is pretending. A classroom full of 10-year-olds being slaughtered really is unusual.
Yes, people die in Chicago a lot. Due to crime and gang violence. Children being intentionally targeted is still unusual.
And if it were a usual event, that would be worse. If anything I'd expect people who think guns = human rights = guns to be the ones saying how rare this is.
| |
|
| Back to top |
1
4
|
↑
ora_43
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 5:50 am
| Heyaaa wrote: | | It’s like saying that if something happened in Norway then France is to blame because they are not separated by water, even though they’re nowhere near each other. |
Norway and France aren't separated by water, but unlike the northeastern US and Texas, they are separated by being entirely separate countries under two different governments.
| |
|
| Back to top |
1
7
|
↑
Heyaaa
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 6:10 am
| ora_43 wrote: | Nobody is pretending. A classroom full of 10-year-olds being slaughtered really is unusual.
Yes, people die in Chicago a lot. Due to crime and gang violence. Children being intentionally targeted is still unusual.
And if it were a usual event, that would be worse. If anything I'd expect people who think guns = human rights = guns to be the ones saying how rare this is. |
Then where is the outrage? Where is the outrage of tens of people being murdered every week in one city? Their lives aren’t valuable? Or do we only care when the victims look like they could be our kids?
| |
|
| Back to top |
1
5
|
↑
Heyaaa
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 6:11 am
| ora_43 wrote: | | Norway and France aren't separated by water, but unlike the northeastern US and Texas, they are separated by being entirely separate countries under two different governments. |
They’re in different states and very different cultures. One is very north, liberal. The other is very south and rural.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
2
|
Raisin
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 6:57 am
| Heyaaa wrote: | | Then where is the outrage? Where is the outrage of tens of people being murdered every week in one city? Their lives aren’t valuable? Or do we only care when the victims look like they could be our kids? |
There is a large investment in police, education and many other areas to reduce gang violence, which is obviously a horrible thing. But its not an easy fix.
I think what upsets people about this incident is that there is a fairly easy fix which many other countries have done and is proven to be effective, better gun control.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
7
|
exaustedmom
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 7:08 am
|
The lack of police action in Texas is the strongest argument that people need to arm themselves as they obviously cannot rely on local sources to help/defend them.
| |
|
| Back to top |
2
11
|
↑
Heyaaa
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 7:41 am
| Raisin wrote: | There is a large investment in police, education and many other areas to reduce gang violence, which is obviously a horrible thing. But its not an easy fix.
I think what upsets people about this incident is that there is a fairly easy fix which many other countries have done and is proven to be effective, better gun control. |
I think that if good people weren’t allowed to have guns or were more restricted from having guns then there would be more gun violence every year. Bad people figure out how to get guns no matter what the law is. The only thing that stops them is good people with guns.
| |
|
| Back to top |
1
12
|
↑
number
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 8:03 am
| exaustedmom wrote: | | The lack of police action in Texas is the strongest argument that people need to arm themselves as they obviously cannot rely on local sources to help/defend them. | But the cops were standing outside barring the parents from going in and arresting anyone who fought them. Maybe if the parents had guns they could have shot the cops?
But this happened in Texas. I imagine many parents did have guns.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
2
|
Java
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 8:04 am
| exaustedmom wrote: | | The lack of police action in Texas is the strongest argument that people need to arm themselves as they obviously cannot rely on local sources to help/defend them. |
Like number said, this is Texas. I would be shocked if a huge percentage of the parents weren't already armed.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
5
|
↑
exaustedmom
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 8:28 am
| number wrote: | But the cops were standing outside barring the parents from going in and arresting anyone who fought them. Maybe if the parents had guns they could have shot the cops?
But this happened in Texas. I imagine many parents did have guns. |
Cute! Many parent did jump the fence and smashed classroom windows to save their kids. It was an off duty CBP officer who was getting a haircut, grabbed the barbers gun and ran in the save his wife and 3 kids.
Just yesterday, I believe in West Virginia, someone started shooting at people at a Birthday party. It was a woman, who not only didn't join the fleeing crowd, but engaged the gunman, shooting him, saving countless lives.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
4
|
↑
pause
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 8:29 am
| Java wrote: | | Like number said, this is Texas. I would be shocked if a huge percentage of the parents weren't already armed. |
Exactly. Every second person there carries. Even the old grandma can whip out a gun from her pocketbook, so don't you dare mess with her. Well, that's how the shooter got his guns.
IOW, this tragedy happened because of the ease and prevalence of acquiring firearms, not despite of it.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
7
|
↑
dancingqueen
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 8:33 am
| Heyaaa wrote: | | Then where is the outrage? Where is the outrage of tens of people being murdered every week in one city? Their lives aren’t valuable? Or do we only care when the victims look like they could be our kids? |
Sorry but this is just in bad taste at a time like this. Elementary school age children were just shot down in cold blood. If that doesn’t hit you differently than regular crime reports something is off.
And the story keeps changing from law enforcement, there was armed security and he was there, no he wasn’t….it’s definitely fishy. But there were a lot of good guys with guns there but they couldn’t or wouldn’t act.
Fact is this murderer bought two guns legally right after he turned 18 thanks to new Texas laws which allowed that.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
4
|
vintagebknyc
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 8:33 am
| pause wrote: | Exactly. Every second person there carries. Even the old grandma can whip out a gun from her pocketbook, so don't you dare mess with her. Well, that's how the shooter got his guns.
IOW, this tragedy happened because of the ease and prevalence of acquiring firearms, not despite of it. |
That is correct. What went wrong in Texas was not just what went wrong in this school.
Did you know--and this is not fake news, I checked it--that you can own as MANY guns as you want, in Texas, but you're not legally allowed to own more than six d*ldos? That's what's wrong in Texas.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
4
|
↑
gold21
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 8:48 am
| pause wrote: | Exactly. Every second person there carries. Even the old grandma can whip out a gun from her pocketbook, so don't you dare mess with her. Well, that's how the shooter got his guns.
IOW, this tragedy happened because of the ease and prevalence of acquiring firearms, not despite of it. |
1. The gunman also had a handgun, which he was not legally allowed to purchase until age 21. He obtained it illegally. This is the best argument for the idea that if not obtained legally, bad people who don't care about laws could obtain guns illegally, leaving those who do care about laws without defensive weapons.
2. Who evacuated the children in the classrooms that the shooter was not in? Who led classrooms full of terrified kids to safety? Not the cops. Nope. They were still standing outside "planning" an evacuation an hour after the fact. An off duty border patrol agent was at the barber enjoying a haircut when he heard that an active shooter was in his daughters school building. He borrowed a handgun from his barber, raced over to the building, and evacuated all classrooms other than the one that was barricaded by the gunman, leading all the terrified kids to safety (including his own daughter). This is the best argument for the right for citizens, such as random barbers, to bear arms. Leaving guns to gvmt personell and police personell, who were still in the "planning" stage when this father decided to jump into action, would not have allowed this man to do what he did.
3. Do you support the Luke & Alex School Safety Act? The Democrats in Congress have spoken out against it. This Act promotes the idea of armed guards protecting schools and lays out guidelines for how schools should train and respond in cases of an active shooter G-d Forbid. The Democrats do not like this Act, because they don't support having guns in school zones, as they claim that it creates an unhealthy environment. This is the best argument for the belief that neither side genuinely wants to solve this problem and are only looking for further their own agendas. The Democrats continue to demonize the Republican side while refusing to look at legislation that would tighten security at school buildings. That is so awful of them, to be honest. Do they care about kids? They secure their own homes presumably.
4. Yes, I agree we need to tighten gun laws. This is the best argument for the idea that many staunch conservatives such as myself absolutely do want to tighten gun laws. Access at 18 seems crazy to me. Raise the minimum age to 21, institute background checks, require a more detailed complicated registration process to acquire an AR-15 (the gun of choice that's almost always used in school shootings), etc. I agree with all this.
But tightening school security is just as important, if not more important, than tightening gun laws. And don't believe a word that Democrats say about wanting to save the world. They are just as agenda-driven on this issue as the Republicans are. And the right to bear arms saves lives.
| |
|
| Back to top |
1
12
|
↑
gold21
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 9:09 am
| dancingqueen wrote: | Sorry but this is just in bad taste at a time like this. Elementary school age children were just shot down in cold blood. If that doesn’t hit you differently than regular crime reports something is off.
And the story keeps changing from law enforcement, there was armed security and he was there, no he wasn’t….it’s definitely fishy. But there were a lot of good guys with guns there but they couldn’t or wouldn’t act.
Fact is this murderer bought two guns legally right after he turned 18 thanks to new Texas laws which allowed that. |
He also acquired a handgun illegally, which begs the question- Could he have carried out this heinous act with a handgun? Presumably yes. Gun laws can only do so much. That's why security is so important.
There was NO armed security at the building. In fact, the gunman entered the building completely unobstructed through an unlocked door and did not pass any security personnel at all. This is the official statement from the local police department. This is the official account of what transpired.
The wishy washy reports from the school (trying to cover themselves) are over in light of the official statement that was put out.
| |
|
| Back to top |
0
6
|
↑
pause
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 9:21 am
| gold21 wrote: | 1. The gunman also had a handgun, which he was not legally allowed to purchase until age 21. He obtained it illegally. This is the best argument for the idea that if not obtained legally, bad people who don't care about laws could obtain guns illegally, leaving those who do care about laws without defensive weapons.
2. Who evacuated the children in the classrooms that the shooter was not in? Who led classrooms full of terrified kids to safety? Not the cops. Nope. They were still standing outside "planning" an evacuation an hour after the fact. An off duty border patrol agent was at the barber enjoying a haircut when he heard that an active shooter was in his daughters school building. He borrowed a handgun from his barber, raced over to the building, and evacuated all classrooms other than the one that was barricaded by the gunman, leading all the terrified kids to safety (including his own daughter). This is the best argument for the right for citizens, such as random barbers, to bear arms. Leaving guns to gvmt personell and police personell, who were still in the "planning" stage when this father decided to jump into action, would not have allowed this man to do what he did.
3. Do you support the Luke & Alex School Safety Act? The Democrats in Congress have spoken out against it. This Act promotes the idea of armed guards protecting schools and lays out guidelines for how schools should train and respond in cases of an active shooter G-d Forbid. The Democrats do not like this Act, because they don't support having guns in school zones, as they claim that it creates an unhealthy environment. This is the best argument for the belief that neither side genuinely wants to solve this problem and are only looking for further their own agendas. The Democrats continue to demonize the Republican side while refusing to look at legislation that would tighten security at school buildings. That is so awful of them, to be honest. Do they care about kids? They secure their own homes presumably.
4. Yes, I agree we need to tighten gun laws. This is the best argument for the idea that many staunch conservatives such as myself absolutely do want to tighten gun laws. Access at 18 seems crazy to me. Raise the minimum age to 21, institute background checks, require a more detailed complicated registration process to acquire an AR-15 (the gun of choice that's almost always used in school shootings), etc. I agree with all this.
But tightening school security is just as important, if not more important, than tightening gun laws. And don't believe a word that Democrats say about wanting to save the world. They are just as agenda-driven on this issue as the Republicans are. And the right to bear arms saves lives. |
Whoa. Chill. I am not a Democrat and do not swallow their agenda.
1. Where did he illegally obtain the handgun from? And what does it matter if the other gun was legally obtained?
2. That patrol agent was brave, more so than the cops. I don't know why he needed a gun to do what he did. I don't know why the cops didn't do what he did.
3. I do support armed security guards in front of schools, presuming that those security guards have training and strong background checks, and that they are only armed at work.
4. Raise the minimum age to 25 which is when a person's brain is fully developed. Why does anyone ever need an AR-15?
| |
|
| Back to top |
1
3
|
↑
gold21
↓
|
Fri, May 27 2022, 9:24 am
| pause wrote: | Whoa. Chill. I am not a Democrat and do not swallow their agenda.
1. Where did he illegally obtain the handgun from? And what does it matter if the other gun was legally obtained?
2. That patrol agent was brave, more so than the cops. I don't know why he needed a gun to do what he did. I don't know why the cops didn't do what he did.
3. I do support armed security guards in front of schools, presuming that those security guards have training and strong background checks, and that they are only armed at work.
4. Raise the minimum age to 25 which is when a person's brain is fully developed. Why does anyone ever need an AR-15? |
Where in my post did I suggest that you are a Democrat? Was my post anything other than factual? Why are you telling me to "chill"? My post was pretty much low key facts without any personal attacks. In fact, it was largely a generic post. It's not so nice to tell someone to "chill" for no reason, but okay.....
"Whoa"? What do you mean by that? Was my list of facts so astonishing?
| |
|
| Back to top |
1
8
|
| Related Topics |
Replies |
Last Post |
|
|
New sheital may have been cut wrong-wwyd?
|
2 |
Mon, Dec 30 2024, 7:17 pm  |
|
|
Am I wrong here? Noise in hallway
|
18 |
Tue, Nov 26 2024, 10:42 pm |
|
|
Anything wrong with using jar marinara sauce to make meatbal
|
59 |
Tue, Nov 26 2024, 2:13 pm |
|
|
[ Poll ] Where did I go wrong- none of my 11yr boys want to shower
|
27 |
Thu, Nov 21 2024, 11:42 am |
|
|
Texas Torah Institute
|
1 |
Tue, Nov 19 2024, 11:04 am |
|
|
Imamother may earn commission when you use our links to make a purchase.
© 2025 Imamother.com - All rights reserved
|  |
 |
|
 |
|
|
