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Cheiny
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 Sun, Dec 08 2024, 9:30 am
How is it that the left is pretty much on the wrong side of every issue? Most every liberal commentator says this white man, a veteran and stellar citizen, who took down a career criminal on a subway, who was crazed, drugged up, and screaming that he would kill everyone, is a racist who needlessly and intentionally murdered this tzaddik who happened to be black (who had 42 arrests under his belt)… despite numerous eyewitnesses, many of them black themselves, who said they were terrified of the maniac, they felt threatened, and they were grateful that Penny heroically and courageously took action. The crazed man turned out to have been full of drugs at the time and medical experts found he died as a result of an overdose, not a chokehold…
But unfortunately this case, which should’ve never been brought, is being tried in liberal NY, and unbelievably the jury couldn’t even agree that Penny was innocent of manslaughter! That should tell you how fair and unbiased the jury is… you can only imagine the racial makeup of a jury that could even consider finding this hero guilty of even a lesser charge, let alone manslaughter… but this isn’t the first time we’ve seen liberals always siding with the criminals…
Alvin Bragg trying to 'strong-arm' Daniel Penny jury into deciding on negligent homicide: Andy McCarthy
Judge granted prosecution's motion to dismiss manslaughter charge against Marine veteran Daniel Penny
https://www.foxnews.com/media/.....arthy
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nightingale1
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 9:35 am
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This isn’t only nuts, it’s dangerous. This should be an even bigger news story than it is. We need people who can to stand up and defend when necessary.
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 9:37 am
| nightingale1 wrote: | | This isn’t only nuts, it’s dangerous. This should be an even bigger news story than it is. We need people who can to stand up and defend when necessary. |
Agree.
And you know this would not even go to trial if the races were reversed.
Edit: Meant races, not genders 
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small bean
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 9:37 am
Obviously he's a hero. No one will protect anyone in NY again.
He didn't kill him. He wasn't dead when the ambulance arrived and they didn't do mouth to mouth cpr.
The abuse by the judge here is horrible and scary.
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 9:45 am
| small bean wrote: | Obviously he's a hero. No one will protect anyone in NY again.
He didn't kill him. He wasn't dead when the ambulance arrived and they didn't do mouth to mouth cpr.
The abuse by the judge here is horrible and scary. | this
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 9:45 am
| small bean wrote: | Obviously he's a hero. No one will protect anyone in NY again.
He didn't kill him. He wasn't dead when the ambulance arrived and they didn't do mouth to mouth cpr.
The abuse by the judge here is horrible and scary. |
Source? AFAIK they did CPR and lifesaving measures for his very weak pulse, and he died shortly thereafter at the hospital. I mean, how is that not a result of the chokehold?
I do not think Penny should be going to prison, I do think it was a heroic effort but at the same time holding him past being subdued was excessive and unnecessary. Why did he need to continue the chokehold once he passed out? He was also coughing up blood, while onlookers warned he was going to die if it continued
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Cheiny
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:11 am
| preciousmommy wrote: | Agree.
And you know this would not even go to trial if the genders were reversed. |
So true.
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Cheiny
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:12 am
| eduardo wrote: | Source? AFAIK they did CPR and lifesaving measures for his very weak pulse, and he died shortly thereafter at the hospital. I mean, how is that not a result of the chokehold?
I do not think Penny should be going to prison, I do think it was a heroic effort but at the same time holding him past being subdued was excessive and unnecessary. Why did he need to continue the chokehold once he passed out? He was also coughing up blood, while onlookers warned he was going to die if it continued |
Sounds like you got your info from a left wing source.
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ora_43
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:18 am
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If only there were some sort of middle ground between being a hero and being a murderer.
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small bean
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:19 am
| eduardo wrote: | Source? AFAIK they did CPR and lifesaving measures for his very weak pulse, and he died shortly thereafter at the hospital. I mean, how is that not a result of the chokehold?
I do not think Penny should be going to prison, I do think it was a heroic effort but at the same time holding him past being subdued was excessive and unnecessary. Why did he need to continue the chokehold once he passed out? He was also coughing up blood, while onlookers warned he was going to die if it continued |
If you read the court transcripts they said they did not do mouth to mouth cpr. They did very basic care.
He was on heavy drugs and that's really what killed him.
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:21 am
| ora_43 wrote: | | If only there were some sort of middle ground between being a hero and being a murderer. |
Agree but in this case I consider him a hero. He took action to protect the more vulnerable when he could've just decided to mind his own business.
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small bean
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:22 am
| ora_43 wrote: | | If only there were some sort of middle ground between being a hero and being a murderer. |
There isn't.
In a sane world he would never have been on the train as he would've been in jail. Also anyone who tries to protect a victim is a hero, even if the abuser gets hurt in the process.
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ora_43
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:31 am
I think he was a hero for getting involved, but at the same time, he killed a guy in a situation where he didn't have to kill him. Both things can be true.
That doesn't make him a murderer but it's also not nothing.
But I think the justice system has got to let it slide in this case. Accidentally killing someone in the course of necessary self-defense, as a civilian (yeah, he's ex-army, but he was a civilian at the time), is not the same as accidentally killing someone through negligence or aggression. You can't reasonably expect Joe Public, if he's attacked by a violent psychopath, to only use the exact necessary amount of force and no more.
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:38 am
| ora_43 wrote: | I think he was a hero for getting involved, but at the same time, he killed a guy in a situation where he didn't have to kill him. Both things can be true.
That doesn't make him a murderer but it's also not nothing.
But I think the justice system has got to let it slide in this case. Accidentally killing someone in the course of necessary self-defense, as a civilian (yeah, he's ex-army, but he was a civilian at the time), is not the same as accidentally killing someone through negligence or aggression. You can't reasonably expect Joe Public, if he's attacked by a violent psychopath, to only use the exact necessary amount of force and no more. |
Exactly. There needs to be a lot of leeway for self defense. Police can be trained on exactly what to look for and to deescalate, to not let their adrenaline get the better of their reason, but you can’t expect all that of a civilian.
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#BestBubby
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:47 am
This is systematic abolition of the Right to Self Defense which the Evil Democrats want to take away.
This isn't the first time a self defense was prosecuted. It happened to Kyle Rittenhouse and many other as well.
Never vote Democrat.
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ora_43
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:56 am
There's always going to be a line between self-defense, and unjust killing.
There are people who've literally shot people dead just for taking a wrong turn and turning around in their driveway, and then claimed self-defense. Eventually, somewhere, there's going to have to be a point where someone says "but I felt threatened!" and a judge is going to tell them, "you felt threatened, but you weren't, so to jail with you." Otherwise murder becomes legal.
IMHO this is legitimately close to that line. The man who died wasn't physically attacking anyone at the time, and the man who subdued him kept him in a chokehold for dangerously long.
But it's not quite over the line.
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ora_43
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 10:58 am
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On a different note, I reeeeeally wish the judge wasn't a left-wing Israeli Jewish woman. I mean, can't blame her for living her life and pursuing her dream, but why this case of all cases.
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fmt4
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:00 am
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I read a very long article about the life of Jordan Neely. His mother was brutally murdered when he was 12 years old. He was mentally ill and alone. He had a very sad and tragic life, a victim of a system that lets people like him slip through the cracks. That said, subway riders shouldn’t be subjected to someone like that. He should’ve been in some kind of rehabilitation or psychiatric care. It’s not Daniel Penny’s fault that this happened. It’s the fault of the system. Did he use excessive force? Maybe. But ultimately, as Adams said, he stepped in when the city couldn’t or wouldn’t. I don’t know if I would call him a hero. But he certainly isnt a villain. But neither is Neely. We can have sympathy for this sad figure without saying that he should be allowed to terrorize subway riders.
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:03 am
| ora_43 wrote: | | On a different note, I reeeeeally wish the judge wasn't a left-wing Israeli Jewish woman. I mean, can't blame her for living her life and pursuing her dream, but why this case of all cases. |
She's actually the prosecutor. What difference does it make who the prosecutor is? Do they get to choose or are they assigned their cases?
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Sun, Dec 08 2024, 11:04 am
| fmt4 wrote: | | I read a very long article about the life of Jordan Neely. His mother was brutally murdered when he was 12 years old. He was mentally ill and alone. He had a very sad and tragic life, a victim of a system that lets people like him slip through the cracks. That said, subway riders shouldn’t be subjected to someone like that. He should’ve been in some kind of rehabilitation or psychiatric care. It’s not Daniel Penny’s fault that this happened. It’s the fault of the system. Did he use excessive force? Maybe. But ultimately, as Adams said, he stepped in when the city couldn’t or wouldn’t. I don’t know if I would call him a hero. But he certainly isnt a villain. But neither is Neely. We can have sympathy for this sad figure without saying that he should be allowed to terrorize subway riders. |
Agree with this so much.
IMO this whole tragic case is a perfect illustration of how being too 'kind' can backfire. The system had so much sympathy for Jordan Neely's background and so much respect for his rights that it got him killed.
He should have been sent to either jail or a closed mental health facility the first time he punched a stranger in the face.
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