Davening in Bingo | Imamother

amother

Lime ↓

Today at 10:02 am

It's very special when women are makpid to daven mincha. I think people need to find a quiet tznius corner to do so. No right outside elevator or at entrance to parking lot as cars pulling in are not very private places . Nor is the middle of ocean parkway. Please stand quietly next to a bench. I dontvtjink women on side of high waybwith car full of rowdy children with key in engine is safe or acceptable either
...men in need of mincha should also not stand on side of highway with family in car. They know mincha is coming and can pull off to nearest exit in advance. Definitely not daven on drivers side without coming traffic coming towards their back.

These are all real sites I've seen in last 6 months

amother

Candycane ↓

Today at 10:04 am

amother Mayflower wrote:

We always learned that a woman should not daven in public where there are men around. I’m sure she had a good reason for doing so.

Huh I never learned that! What type of frum are you? I feel like this isn’t Halacha.

amother

Melon ↓

Today at 10:08 am

I agree with the consensus that a women should not daven out in the public. She should've found a quiet corner to daven in. My dh once saw a woman daven vigorously out in the open, he found it very off putting and he said it was not tznius because it attracted a lot of attention.
So there is something to it.
I'm going to be dlkz that she was so focused on not missing davening that she didn't realize the exact location of where she was doing it.

amother

Brass ↓

Today at 10:08 am

My knee jerk response would be to roll my eyes, as I'm not into unnecessary public displays of piety like this or like covering your face with your Siddur or gesticulating with your arms beseeching the Heavens. It smacks of exhibitionism. (In private, do what you want.)

I would be irritated if she was in the middle of an aisle. Either go outside or find an isolated corner where you won't block traffic.

Sorry, I don't go for being a tzadekes on other people's cheshbon or in other people's faces. I liked it when people could duck discreetly into an unoccupied phone booth to daven (if no one was waiting to use the phone).

amother

↑ Mayflower ↓

Today at 10:11 am

amother Candycane wrote:

Huh I never learned that! What type of frum are you? I feel like this isn’t Halacha.

Chill. I never said it’s Halacha it’s something we learned and I have no source for it before you start going down that route. I don’t believe it’s tzniusdig for a woman to daven in public with men around but like I said in my first post, I’m sure she had a good reason for doing so. No need to get hysterical here.

amother

↑ Candycane ↓

Today at 10:12 am

amother Mayflower wrote:

I got triggered because I find the idea of a woman having to hide being spiritual and talking to Hashem to be really disgusting and offensive.

amother

Peach

Today at 10:16 am

amother Mayflower wrote:

Wat could be not tzniusdig about sme9ne davening, werever?

↑ Elfrida

Today at 10:17 am

amother Brass wrote:

I liked it when people could duck discreetly into an unoccupied phone booth to daven (if no one was waiting to use the phone).

As one of my teachers once put it, make a really long distance call!

amother

↑ Lime ↓

Today at 10:18 am

amother Candycane wrote:

I got triggered because I find the idea of a woman having to hide being spiritual and talking to Hashem to be really disgusting and offensive.

Nobody is saying to hide. Just find a modest corner.

amother

↑ Melon ↓

Today at 10:24 am

amother Lime wrote:

Nobody is saying to hide. Just find a modest corner.

This, thank you
Don't ask women what they feel about it, ask the men that see it what they think of it. Per my dh.

amother

↑ Candycane ↓

Today at 10:33 am

amother Melon wrote:

This, thank you
Don't ask women what they feel about it, ask the men that see it what they think of it. Per my dh.

Seriously? What dirty thoughts come to mind from seeing a woman talking to Hashem? And why is it any of my business? As long as my required body parts are covered, it’s his job to keep himself from objectifying me.

If he feels uncomfortable knowing that women have a connection with Hashem, that’s his problem.

amother

Apricot ↓

Today at 10:34 am

I'd be impressed and think briefly that I should also start trying to daven mincha. And then probably I would fail to follow through. But I think if I saw more women davening mincha regularly, I'd eventually make more of an effort too.

↑ chestnut

Today at 10:34 am

amother Melon wrote:

This, thank you
Don't ask women what they feel about it, ask the men that see it what they think of it. Per my dh.

What does your dh or other men think about it?

↑ shabbatiscoming

Today at 10:37 am

amother Melon wrote:

This, thank you
Don't ask women what they feel about it, ask the men that see it what they think of it. Per my dh.

Im sorry but this is sick.
Pray tell (pun not intended) what does ypur husband think?
Just like we would think nothing of a guy doing this, so to we should think of women.
I mean for goodness sake, sbe has stopped her errsnd to fullfil a mitzvt asei. How vould snything about this be negative?

amother

Turquoise

Today at 10:37 am

amother Melon wrote:

This, thank you
Don't ask women what they feel about it, ask the men that see it what they think of it. Per my dh.

Ok let’s hear what do they think of it? The men in my life don’t know the answer.

amother

↑ Melon ↓

Today at 10:57 am

amother Candycane wrote:

Its the shaking back and forth, not the standing quietly and standing on the side.

amother

↑ Melon ↓

Today at 11:03 am

amother Candycane wrote:

Don't make this something that it's not. There's a reason that men have a mechitza separating them from the women while davening. No one in their right mind object to women davening. It's not objectifying anyone and everyone needs a connection to Hashem. The entire thing was the physical location of the woman's choice of davening in public where everyone can see her.

amother

Buttercup

Today at 11:04 am

Really interesting...I think that as high school girls we did things like this all the time. Pulling over in a rest area and davening by the car, for example. But I don't think, barring extreme extreme circumstances, I would daven mincha in a bingo aisle.

I don't think there is a halacha that man cannot see a women daven. The halachik concern is mingled/mixed davening. Certainly it's not erva like a woman's voice (or hair, according to some).

However, there is something intrinsically intimate and personal about davening shmone esray in particular. I don't think anyone would have look twice at a woman saying tehillim at the doctor's office.

In a situation where I would otherwise miss mincha, I would daven tashlumim. But if there was a reason for not missing ( kabbalah, 40 days, etc) I would got either in my car or next to my car, or at the side of the building. Not in middle of an aisle for everyone to see.

(Modesty is not just a response to shame. There is nothing shameful about a woman singing, there is nothing shameful about our bodies.)