Stigma of Thanksgiving in frum world

flowerpower ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:36 pm

jkl wrote:

Thanksgiving is not a religious holiday. It's giving thanks, that should be something we do too!

x-mas, Easter are religious holidays. Thanksgiving isnt.

Give thanks to whom? The grocery for buying a dry turkey from them? Whom are we giving thanks to exactly by eating casserole sweet potato pie and some gravy?

↑ giselle ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:37 pm

mother51 wrote:

Difference between not celebrating it and criticizing those who do celebrate it. I don’t get why people do this

With you 💯
But I don’t know many people who criticize those who celebrate. I guess some people just like to put others down.

↑ mother51 ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:38 pm

ectomorph wrote:

Every day is Thanksgiving for us!

This seems uneducated .Is there an actual reason halachically as to not celebrate or your just saying this because you have no answer but don’t wanna celebrate?sorry this sounded harsh just wondering

↑ mother51 ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:39 pm

flowerpower wrote:

Give thanks to whom? The grocery for buying a dry turkey from them? Whom are we giving thanks to exactly by eating casserole sweet potato pie and some gravy?

Hashem. Our family. Our friends. The people we celebrate with

↑ flowerpower ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:40 pm

mother51 wrote:

Bec it’s a federal holiday. They give off for Memorial Day, Labor Day etc so why knit Thanksgiving

They are off because there is public transportation and its easier for them just to close. Once they got private bussing school wasnt off

↑ mother51 ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:41 pm

flowerpower wrote:

They are off because there is public transportation and its easier for them just to close. Once they got private bussing school wasnt off

I live out of town with no busing so.

↑ flowerpower

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:42 pm

mother51 wrote:

Hashem. Our family. Our friends. The people we celebrate with

Every day when I daven I give thanks to hashem. I don’t have to buy a turkey to thank him. The same way mothers day is every day. Not just once a year. You can have a big meal with whomever you want. No one is making fun of those that celebrate it. In fact I make a cute supper then- with turkey legs made out of a pretzel rod and cocoa marshmallow fluff…

missknowitall ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:43 pm

I don't personally understand it. We give thanks when we daven. Why do we need to do it over turkey like non Jews? We aren't the same.

↑ mother51 ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:44 pm

missknowitall wrote:

I don't personally understand it. We give thanks when we daven. Why do we need to do it over turkey like non Jews? We aren't the same.

I’m not saying celebrate it like a Jewish holiday but why is there a problem with celebrating at all

↑ giselle

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:44 pm

missknowitall wrote:

I don't personally understand it. We give thanks when we daven. Why do we need to do it over turkey like non Jews? We aren't the same.

If it was a standing rib roast I could get behind that 😁

↑ missknowitall ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:45 pm

mother51 wrote:

I’m not saying celebrate it like a Jewish holiday but why is there a problem with celebrating at all

Because we don't take on non Jews holidays. We don't celebrate what non Jews celebrate.

↑ mother51 ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:46 pm

missknowitall wrote:

Because we don't take on non Jews holidays. We don't celebrate what non Jews celebrate.

But all the by camps celebrate Fourth of July. That’s an American holiday as well

↑ missknowitall

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:51 pm

mother51 wrote:

But all the by camps celebrate Fourth of July. That’s an American holiday as well

Do they the ones I know don't. And having red white and blue is not really a celebration of sitting down giving thanks and eating fancy food. It's more of a decoration of our flag.

↑ mother51 ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:53 pm

missknowitall wrote:

Do they the ones I know don't. And having red white and blue is not really a celebration of sitting down giving thanks and eating fancy food. It's more of a decoration of our flag.

recognizing independence in a country that isn’t ours vs sitting down and giving thanks to the ppl around you. Very different.
I also never understood why ppl can celebrate 4th of July but not Yom. Haatsmaut but that’s a whole another discussion

sweetpotato ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 7:59 pm

missknowitall wrote:

Because we don't take on non Jews holidays. We don't celebrate what non Jews celebrate.

Shearith Israel in New York has a very long mesorah of celebrating Thanksgiving

https://www.shearithisrael.org.....rael/

The earliest American synagogues were very cognizant of how important democracy and religious freedom in America were for Jews.

↑ giftedmom ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:02 pm

sweetpotato wrote:

The earliest American synagogues unfortunately didn’t leave much Frum or even Jewish descendants. Those who came after the war did things differently and look at us now.

2cents ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:04 pm

mother51 wrote:

Can someone please explain this to me because I feel like there has always been a stigma for this and I dont understand
The schools even stopped giving off which is crazy imo

The school I work at (yeshiva boys elementary) stopped giving off because we need to have 180 school days and Fridays don't count (no English studies). Being that the vast majority (if not the entirety) of the staff doesn't celebrate or mark thanksgiving in any way, we're all much happier to have an extra day before/after yuntif off than thanksgiving.

Blessing1

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:05 pm

Thanksgiving actually has Cristian roots & many do consider it a religious holiday.
And celebrating Thanksgiving by having a turkey dinner, is chukas hagoyim & many don't Celebrate for that reason.

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↑ 2cents ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:07 pm

mother51 wrote:

The actual reason would be chukas non jews. We don't generally add celebratory or even sad days to our Jewish calendar, nor do we add seudos.

That's presumably also why many (in yeshivishe circles, at least) are opposed to yom hashoah and such days too.

↑ mother51 ↓

Wed, Nov 20 2024, 8:20 pm

2cents wrote:

Got it thanks