The kids suffer | Imamother

notshanarishona

Yesterday at 12:47 pm

Can you link the thread that you are talking about?
First of all you are making it sound way too simplistic:
1) if a teacher has been working for a school and giving it her all are you suggesting she should be fired because she has to come in with a foot in a cast for 6 weeks or recovering from some other illness?
Part of being human is that in every job people have time when they aren’t 100% but everyone does the best they can.
Today at the clinic, one of the nurses was triple masking and explaining that she was getting over a bad cold (everyone there is immunocompromised) so everyone did the best they can. She did as much paperwork as possible while her coworkers connected the infusions, checked vitals, etc. people manage even when they can’t do their job 💯. It’s called life.
2) an experienced teacher is in many ways worth more than a brand new inexperienced one even if she can’t give it her all
3) every school has a teacher shortage right now. Their are no subs sitting around waiting to be hired .
4) temporary positions are extremely hard to fill for 4-12 weeks(let’s say first trimester). It’s not just about the $. The kids behavior and learning routines would likely take up half their learning time

amother

Crystal

Yesterday at 12:49 pm

My DD had a teacher 4 yrs ago that was pregnant and then went on maternity but the class was brilliant and everything went fine, she learnt loads even if the teacher wasn't at her best state as pregnant or post birth (we could tell the difference when she had a substitute even when it was classes over the phone because of COVID).
Last yr the same teacher was pregnant again with complications so went on bed rest and hospitalised from much earlier on.
All the parents of last yr girls were saying how the whole yr was lost, even though they had substitutes and the school tried sorting it, it isn't the same - there were many parents who already had kids other yrs with that teacher so knew the difference.
My youngest is with her now and any parent who sent last yr and hears she there now their first reaction is wow you are so lucky she is there this yr and not last yr.- that's the only reason I know about it.

amother

↑ Bubblegum ↓

Yesterday at 12:59 pm

amother OP wrote:

I can't "choose" to send to the other schools. That's a ridiculous assumption.
My kids do not fit in there, nor do I wish them to.
With all due respect, of course.

Then you're blaming the individual teachers for what's an issue with the entire community.

Communities make choices. Just like people do. If it becomes standard in a community for people to have 6+ children, the schools will underpay the teachers, understaff the classrooms, raise tuition in a way that families simply can't pay, or all of the above.

You're right that it's a problem. But it's not the teacher's problem.

Sewsew_mom ↓

Yesterday at 1:02 pm

I didn't read through everything.. But children can learn to be resilient with the support of parents. This is life. Changes come and go and giving them the gift of patience, making the best of things as they are today and being hopeful for change is probably the most important skills in life.

amother

↑ Cornsilk ↓

Yesterday at 1:11 pm

amother OP wrote:

It seems to me there is enough funding, but it's being used for less important things.

I can't understand why you keep coming back to funding.
What about a higher salary makes concentrating when you're pregnant easier?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 1:13 pm

amother Cornsilk wrote:

I can't understand why you keep coming back to funding.
What about a higher salary makes concentrating when you're pregnant easier?

Read the above post about schools in certain communities that prioritize teachers.

↑ teachkids ↓

Yesterday at 1:24 pm

amother OP wrote:

Read the above post about schools in certain communities that prioritize teachers.

I’m sure that if you offer your school 80k to supplement their offered pay to make sure your child gets a trained teacher they would be happy to take it. But no guarantee she won’t get sick or pregnant or have a family emergency

amother

↑ Bubblegum ↓

Yesterday at 1:37 pm

amother Aqua wrote:

Teachers in higher paying schools get pregnant, too.

But they have an assistant who picks up more of the slack. They've done this for years before and have a proper curriculum so their limited energy gets better use. And depending where they live they might get a nice amount of paid leave so they're not working during the worst part of the pregnancy.

↑ teachkids ↓

Yesterday at 1:50 pm

amother Bubblegum wrote:

I worked in a school once where there was a parent who was annoyed her daughters class didn’t have an assistant. She paid someone 25k privately to be an assistant for her daughters class. The school approved the choice and the class benefited. If you think money is the answer, ask your school if this is an option for you.

But also, the MO schools give only thethe leave they’re required to, and most teachers use it after birth, and parents and admin spend the whole time complaining the class has a sub.

amother

↑ Aqua ↓

Yesterday at 2:26 pm

amother Bubblegum wrote:

Just because a school is high paying doesn't mean they have teachers who have been there for years, or that all classrooms have an assistant (let alone one who has been there for years and is familiar with the curriculum). I work in a high paying MO school, so I speak from personal experience. We have turnover almost every year with teachers and certainly assistants, which can be difficult to staff--some positions just stay open most of the year. The only classes that get a full time assistant are the preschool classes--first and second have floaters who dip in and out of rooms. Upper grades don't get unless they are special ed.

Paid leave during pregnancy--I've never heard of this, unless the employee chooses to use up some of her maternity leave (most would prefer to save for after). I think that's more country dependent than school salary scale dependent.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 3:12 pm

If the school is mostly hiring young girls, they get engaged, married , pregnant, all in a few years. And then many times her teaching career is done. Multiply this throughout the school year after year. That results in a lot of disregulation.
MO schools, for the most part, have this happening far less often.
I'll repeat again, I don't have all the answers, but this is certainly a valid topic, as some teachers here have admitted themselves.

amother

↑ Sapphire ↓

Yesterday at 3:22 pm

amother OP wrote:

Nobody admitted this. You dont make any sense. No one here agrees that young childbearing women shouldnt be hired. Having more money wont change that.

amother

↑ Babypink

Yesterday at 3:25 pm

amother OP wrote:

MO schools don’t have this happening less often. I work in a MO school. I have 3 colleagues who are in their 30s who are due in the next 3 months.
And I have another 3 colleagues who are bubbies who had to take off significant amounts of time in the past year for medical issues.
And another 2 in their 50s who had to take off because their parents were very sick.
And 2 teachers who broke their legs and are now stuck teaching from their desks instead of walking around the room.

amother

Garnet

Yesterday at 3:32 pm

amother OP wrote:

My MO cousin is a teacher in an MO school, she got married a few years after me and has had 4 babies in 7 years. (I live in Lakewood and have less than that in ten- eleven years)

Older teachers come with their own challenges

Kids who are severely affected by a sub for 6 weeks likely have their own challenges that can’t necessarily be resolved by a non pregnant teacher

Kids are very resilient usually.

My son’s yeshivish rebbi was out last year for 6 weeks because he has cancer.

amother

↑ Aqua

Yesterday at 3:40 pm

amother OP wrote:

Not that different than teachers in MO schools. I don't know why you think there's no maternity or other type of leave going on there. Last year, we had tons of long term subs between maternity leaves, medical leaves (a couple of which were very extended), a teacher who quit, and even for a teacher who was fired. This year, I am counting 3 maternity leaves (whether current or upcoming) plus a teacher who quit and has yet to be replaced. Plenty of disregulation.

BaltoMom65 ↓

Yesterday at 3:41 pm

amother OP wrote:

Like I said, I don't know what the solution is. The students,especially younger ones, don't have the maturity to see it from the teachers perspective. As a consequence, they feel it is a consequence of their own actions, etc..

This can be a teachable moment where the children learn that the world doesn't revolve around them and they must learn to adapt as the only thing constant in life is change

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 3:43 pm

Im not saying ALL teachers will not be able to handle it. But yes it takes a toll.
Even great teachers who have ONGOING issues will usually be affected. But that can be overlooked if she's mostly handling the class well.
If she isn't, or she never really did in the first place , that is not someone I want teaching my kids.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 3:48 pm

BaltoMom65 wrote:

This can be a teachable moment where the children learn that the world doesn't revolve around them and they must learn to adapt as the only thing constant in life is change

Little kids look up to the teacher , as they should, and consider what she says as ultimate truth. If she says or behaves negatively,or unfairly towards them, then yes, they take it personally.
I hope you're not a teacher of young kids.