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amother
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 Fri, Sep 27 2024, 9:43 am
In the chassidishe world you don't need to know halacha to be a rav. I know a few rabbanim who became that, just because their fathers were, or they had money to open a shul. And a dayan may or may not have a shul which would make him a rav, or ruv, too.
To summarize, a rav has a shul and a dayan paskens shailos.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 9:48 am
| amother Pearl wrote: | This is so not true.
A dayan is one that has Semicha & can pasken halacha. Not every dayan is a Rav and not every Rav or Rabbi is a dayan. Not every Rav can pasken halacha. Many chasidish rabbanim don't pasken halacha as they're not a dayan. |
Whats the difference? Is there a difference? One is hebrew and one is english.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 9:49 am
| amother Lightgray wrote: | In the chassidishe world you don't need to know halacha to be a rav. I know a few rabbanim who became that, just because their fathers were, or they had money to open a shul. And a dayan may or may not have a shul which would make him a rav, or ruv, too.
To summarize, a rav has a shul and a dayan paskens shailos. |
The word rav means one has smicha. Thats the title for someone who learned to receive smicha.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 9:50 am
| amother Azure wrote: | | Whats the difference? Is there a difference? One is hebrew and one is english. |
The difference is that not every Rav/Rabbi has smicha and can pasken halacha. Not every Rav is a posek.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 9:51 am
| amother Azure wrote: | | The word rav means one has smicha. Thats the title for someone who learned to receive smicha. |
The word dayan/posek means that one has smicha.
Not every shul Rav has smicha & can pasken halacha.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 9:52 am
| amother Lightgray wrote: | In the chassidishe world you don't need to know halacha to be a rav. I know a few rabbanim who became that, just because their fathers were, or they had money to open a shul. And a dayan may or may not have a shul which would make him a rav, or ruv, too.
To summarize, a rav has a shul and a dayan paskens shailos. |
And to summarize for litvish: A Rav can either refer to a person who leads a shul OR paskens shailos. The shul leader may often be a Posek too but it doesn't have to be.
A dayan is part of a Beis Din.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 9:58 am
| amother Azure wrote: | | The word rav means one has smicha. Thats the title for someone who learned to receive smicha. |
I was referring to chassidish terminolgy, not definition.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:04 am
| amother Pearl wrote: | | The difference is that not every Rav/Rabbi has smicha and can pasken halacha. Not every Rav is a posek. |
I dont get it. Im saying the word rav or rabbi means one got smicha. Thats the title one gets from learning for smicha.
Of course not every rav paskens.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:06 am
| amother Pearl wrote: | The word dayan/posek means that one has smicha.
Not every shul Rav has smicha & can pasken halacha. |
How? A rav is one who got smicha. Otherwise why would he be called rav?
When you go to medical school you get the title of MD. So too, you go for smicha, you get the title rav or rabbi.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:08 am
| amother Azure wrote: | I dont get it. Im saying the word rav or rabbi means one got smicha. Thats the title one gets from learning for smicha.
Of course not every rav paskens. |
The word Rav or Rabbi doesn't necessarily mean that one got smicha. Every chashuv person in referred to as Rabbi. A person that is the leader of a shul is referred to as Rav. A person that has smicha, is a posek or dayan & may also be referred to as Rabbi because they have a chashuv position.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:09 am
| amother Azure wrote: | How? A rav is one who got smicha. Otherwise why would he be called rav?
When you go to medical school you get the title of MD. So too, you go for smicha, you get the title rav or rabbi. |
When one goes for smicha, they get the title posek or dayan.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:22 am
| amother Pearl wrote: | | The word Rav or Rabbi doesn't necessarily mean that one got smicha. Every chashuv person in referred to as Rabbi. A person that is the leader of a shul is referred to as Rav. A person that has smicha, is a posek or dayan & may also be referred to as Rabbi because they have a chashuv position. |
Im wondering why the chassidish community changed the definition.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:23 am
| amother Azure wrote: | | Im wondering why the chassidish community changed the definition. |
This isn't specific to the chassidish community. Not every yeshivish or litvish shul Rav has smicha and can pasken halacha.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:36 am
| amother Pearl wrote: | | This isn't specific to the chassidish community. Not every yeshivish or litvish shul Rav has smicha and can pasken halacha. |
I am so confused. What makes someone a rav or rabbi if not for the smicha they received?
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:39 am
| amother Azure wrote: | | I am so confused. What makes someone a rav or rabbi if not for the smicha they received? |
They are the leader of a shul or congregation. Chashuv people like a Rosh Yeshiva, magid shiur, noted mechanech, mentor, or speaker.... are also referred to as Rabbi.
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amother
Hyacinth
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 10:45 am
| amother Pearl wrote: | | They are the leader of a shul or congregation. Chashuv people like a Rosh Yeshiva, magid shiur, noted mechanech, mentor, or speaker.... are also referred to as Rabbi. |
Adding Rabbi after someone's name is mostly an honorary title, doesn't realy reflect on their smicha status.
Someone's personal Rav/Rabbi who they take their sheilos to usually has smicha and is qualified to answer.
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amother
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Fri, Sep 27 2024, 11:06 am
| amother Hyacinth wrote: | Adding Rabbi after someone's name is mostly an honorary title, doesn't realy reflect on their smicha status.
Someone's personal Rav/Rabbi who they take their sheilos to usually has smicha and is qualified to answer. |
If their Rav paskens halacha, then he is a posek.
Many Rav's direct halachic questions to a posek but will still give their people guidance & help with personal matters.
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