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amother
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 Thu, Sep 26 2024, 9:24 pm
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a dayan? How is it different than a rav? Is it specifically someone you ask shalom bayis/niddah questions to? Is it a chasidish thing? I've only heard about it on this site and was wondering what exactly it meant.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 9:31 pm
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Maybe someone can answer better because I'm not from the community. In short there are two types of leaders. The dayan is the one who paskens halacha and the rebbe usually deals with non halachic matters.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 9:33 pm
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I think a rav and dayan same thing. Just rav might have a shul and dayen belongs to a kehilla like satmer/ viznitz/ belz etc.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 9:37 pm
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It's the chassidish version of a Rav. Same thing- someone who paskens halacha.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 9:44 pm
A dayan is not just a rav. If a rav is like an MD or professor, a dayan is like a board-certified specialist or department chairperson. He has done additional learning, usually specializing in a certain area, and passed exams (bechinot) to be qualified to pasken.
PS This is the definition in the Litvish world.
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synthy
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:00 pm
| amother Mimosa wrote: | A dayan is not just a rav. If a rav is like an MD or professor, a dayan is like a board-certified specialist or department chairperson. He has done additional learning, usually specializing in a certain area, and passed exams (bechinot) to be qualified to pasken.
PS This is the definition in the Litvish world. | Chassidish, and I agree with your definition. I have a family member who’s a Dayen in our kehilla, it means he got semicha and can pasken shailos. But he’s not a rav. A rav is typically referred to someone who leads a shul, and may or may not be a dayen (although most in my community are).
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:07 pm
Yes it's a chassidish concept. Never heard of the word before interacting with chassidish people.
It's a person well versed in halacha who they ask shaalos to.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:08 pm
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Dayan is for chassidish what a Rav is for yeshivish
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:10 pm
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In the litvish/ yeshivish world a dayan works in beis din. The person you ask your sheilos to is a rav even if he doesn't have a shul. And when you go to beis din you go to a dayan, but you don't go to one unless you have a case in beis din. In the chassidish world each couple is assigned a dayan when they get married and that's who they ask their sheilos to.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:12 pm
| amother Mimosa wrote: | A dayan is not just a rav. If a rav is like an MD or professor, a dayan is like a board-certified specialist or department chairperson. He has done additional learning, usually specializing in a certain area, and passed exams (bechinot) to be qualified to pasken.
PS This is the definition in the Litvish world. |
That's a dayan in the litvish world. Seems like OP is asking about a Chassidish dayan which is as I wrote above, someone who paskens halacha
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:12 pm
| amother Ebony wrote: | | In the litvish/ yeshivish world a dayan works in beis din. The person you ask your sheilos to is a rav even if he doesn't have a shul. And when you go to beis din you go to a dayan, but you don't go to one unless you have a case in beis din. In the chassidish world each couple is assigned a dayan when they get married and that's who they ask their sheilos to. |
Whaat?? Is this true??
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:14 pm
| amother Ebony wrote: | | In the litvish/ yeshivish world a dayan works in beis din. The person you ask your sheilos to is a rav even if he doesn't have a shul. And when you go to beis din you go to a dayan, but you don't go to one unless you have a case in beis din. In the chassidish world each couple is assigned a dayan when they get married and that's who they ask their sheilos to. | Can every Litvish Rav paskan shaalos on bedika cloths? if not, whom do you ask those questions from?
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:17 pm
| amother Oak wrote: | | Can every Litvish Rav paskan shaalos on bedika cloths? if not, whom do you ask those questions from? |
There are certain ones that pasken niddah sheilos you generally choose one and stick to them. There are usually a bunch in each neighborhood.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:18 pm
According to a few of my chassidish friends they were assigned one. Maybe it's only certain chassidus but it's definitely true in some communities.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:22 pm
| amother Ebony wrote: | | According to a few of my chassidish friends they were assigned one. Maybe it's only certain chassidus but it's definitely true in some communities. | Never heard of it. And I'm chassidish.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:27 pm
| amother Ebony wrote: | | In the litvish/ yeshivish world a dayan works in beis din. The person you ask your sheilos to is a rav even if he doesn't have a shul. And when you go to beis din you go to a dayan, but you don't go to one unless you have a case in beis din. In the chassidish world each couple is assigned a dayan when they get married and that's who they ask their sheilos to. |
Only in certain chasidusen are people "assigned " a dayan.
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amother
Midnight
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:29 pm
| amother Mimosa wrote: | A dayan is not just a rav. If a rav is like an MD or professor, a dayan is like a board-certified specialist or department chairperson. He has done additional learning, usually specializing in a certain area, and passed exams (bechinot) to be qualified to pasken.
PS This is the definition in the Litvish world. |
Off-topic but FWIW, as a college professor, this isn't how department chairs work. They're just professors who are capable and willing to take on the administrative burden. They don't need any additional specializations and are usually less active in research than their non-chair peers because they're busy with chair duties instead.
But also, this isn't really how dayanus works. All rabbanim presumably have Yoreh Yoreh semicha, for which they have hopefully passed exams in various areas of Yoreh Deah (basar b'chalav, taaruvos, niddah, etc.). Dayanim, in the Litvish world, are rabbanim who also (though theoretically, could also be "instead") have Yadin Yadin semicha and have passed exams specifically in the areas of Choshen Mishpat and are therefore qualified to sit on a Bais Din.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 26 2024, 10:30 pm
| amother Ebony wrote: | | According to a few of my chassidish friends they were assigned one. Maybe it's only certain chassidus but it's definitely true in some communities. |
You’re talking about ger and it’s not a Dayan it’s a commondat (sp?) I’m not ger so I can’t tell you more about it but it’s definitely not across the board in all chassidusen.
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