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amother
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 Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:19 pm
A child did not behave and was given assignments and/or suspended for the behavior throughout the year.
Child passed the midterm exam and final exam - over 80 on each in case that matters.
Is it OK to fail child on the report card by deducting points for bad behavior?
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:23 pm
| amother OP wrote: | A child did not behave and was given assignments and/or suspended for the behavior throughout the year.
Child passed the midterm exam and final exam - over 80 on each in case that matters.
Is it OK to fail child on the report card by deducting points for bad behavior? |
What good would that accomplish? I think it's counterproductive.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:27 pm
It depends on school policy.
There are schools that incorporate behavior and attendance into the grade, and there are those who keep them separate.
There are pros and cons to each policy.
I'm anonymous because I'm a teacher with opinions and I don't want to be too injured by tomatoes-----
If your child is having severe behavioral issues, I hope you are doing all you can to help your child, and not just blaming the school.
Helping your child includes things such as-----
Neuropsych Evals to screen for learning disabilities, ADHD, etc.
And then-----
Targeting the learning disability with professional interventions and specialists
Providing meds, OT, or talk therapy for ADHD/Behavioral component
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:33 pm
| amother Milk wrote: | It depends on school policy.
There are schools that incorporate behavior and attendance into the grade, and there are those who keep them separate.
There are pros and cons to each policy.
I'm anonymous because I'm a teacher with opinions and I don't want to be too injured by tomatoes-----
If your child is having severe behavioral issues, I hope you are doing all you can to help your child, and not just blaming the school.
Helping your child includes things such as-----
Neuropsych Evals to screen for learning disabilities, ADHD, etc.
And then-----
Targeting the learning disability with professional interventions and specialists
Providing meds, OT, or talk therapy for ADHD/Behavioral component |
It was one teacher. Not a global issue.
School doesn't have a set policy
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:35 pm
| amother OP wrote: | It was one teacher. Not a global issue.
School doesn't have a set policy |
Does this grade mean something for life? Like high school transcripts affecting seminary? Then speak to the principal and ask for a change.
Otherwise, I wouldn't make a big stink about it, but might inform the principal so he or she knows for the future.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:40 pm
| amother Milk wrote: | Does this grade mean something for life? Like high school transcripts affecting seminary? Then speak to the principal and ask for a change.
Otherwise, I wouldn't make a big stink about it, but might inform the principal so he or she knows for the future. |
Yes, grade matters
Even if it didn't, it matters the kid.
And it was the teachers only year in the school. They weren't invited back. Which is also telling.
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chanatron1000
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:41 pm
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The most likely result would be that the child gives up altogether.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:45 pm
| amother OP wrote: | Yes, grade matters
Even if it didn't, it matters the kid.
And it was the teachers only year in the school. They weren't invited back. Which is also telling. |
Ask the principal, respectfully, to help with it.
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Queen6
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:48 pm
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A child that is part of a class must behave. Whatever the school decides that they think works the parents need to follow. Behavior must be under control. If you're choosing to be in a mainstream school in a mainstream class you must behave. It's very simple. If the punishment isn't effective they will have to go stronger so make sure it's effective.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:55 pm
| chanatron1000 wrote: | | The most likely result would be that the child gives up altogether. |
Pretty much the situation we're in now
Child feels they got punished double for the same thing.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 4:56 pm
| amother Milk wrote: | | Ask the principal, respectfully, to help with it. |
Didn't work.
Trying to go above their head though. Will see if it works.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:03 pm
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Teachers often say the grade is made up parts it’s not just marks. 60% marks, 20% behavior in that class, 20% work and effort. I don’t see why a grade should just be test marks. It’s a measure of how they did in that class and it’s more than grades. It also works the other way a kid that is bad at tests but works really hard can bring up their grade.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:11 pm
| amother Maroon wrote: | | Teachers often say the grade is made up parts it’s not just marks. 60% marks, 20% behavior in that class, 20% work and effort. I don’t see why a grade should just be test marks. It’s a measure of how they did in that class and it’s more than grades. It also works the other way a kid that is bad at tests but works really hard can bring up their grade. |
That's fine if a kid isn't continuously punished throughout the year. But the kid looks at you the wrong way and you send them home to write a 300 word assignment they got punished for that. Don't then reflect it in the final grade.
Do you punish a child at home with multiple punishments?
And yes, stupid things like this happened all year
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:12 pm
| amother OP wrote: | That's fine if a kid isn't continuously punished throughout the year. But the kid looks at you the wrong way and you send them home to write a 300 word assignment they got punished for that. Don't then reflect it in the final grade.
Do you punish a child at home with multiple punishments?
And yes, stupid things like this happened all year |
Did you discuss it while it was happening? And are you sure you got the real story? Because kids don’t always say the truth.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:17 pm
| amother Maroon wrote: | | Did you discuss it while it was happening? And are you sure you got the real story? Because kids don’t always say the truth. |
Yes, was discussed many times. Was also told mid year that teacher won't be invited back.
Kid definitely doesn't always say the truth but in this case that wasn't the issue.
It was a regent subject. The school subsidized the cost of a crash course for the students for this one class.
Child is not a start student but definitely the teacher was 50% of the problem. I can only talk for my child but I do many that had similar issues throughout the year
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:18 pm
| amother OP wrote: | That's fine if a kid isn't continuously punished throughout the year. But the kid looks at you the wrong way and you send them home to write a 300 word assignment they got punished for that. Don't then reflect it in the final grade.
Do you punish a child at home with multiple punishments?
And yes, stupid things like this happened all year |
I agree with you 100%. Whatever she did or didn’t do, a consequence was given and that should be the end of it. If she passed the class, she passed the class.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:18 pm
| amother OP wrote: | Yes, was discussed many times. Was also told mid year that teacher won't be invited back.
Kid definitely doesn't always say the truth but in this case that wasn't the issue.
It was a regent subject. The school subsidized the cost of a crash course for the students for this one class.
Child is not a start student but definitely the teacher was 50% of the problem. I can only talk for my child but I do many that had similar issues throughout the year |
Ok so if the school agrees the teacher was an issue ask the school to adjust the grade to reflect the tests. But regents subjects don’t matter they just take the regents grade generally.
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:20 pm
| amother Banana wrote: | | I agree with you 100%. Whatever she did or didn’t do, a consequence was given and that should be the end of it. If she passed the class, she passed the class. |
Thank you. I appreciate the validation.
Let's hope the higher-ups in the school can see it that way too
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:21 pm
| amother Maroon wrote: | | Ok so if the school agrees the teacher was an issue ask the school to adjust the grade to reflect the tests. But regents subjects don’t matter they just take the regents grade generally. |
So far school hasn't agreed.
No, regent grade is not final class grade on transcript
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amother
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Thu, Sep 19 2024, 5:22 pm
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Ask the teacher or principal to explain the grade composition to you. There’s usually a formula that they use. Behavior usually makes up about 20% or less of the grade. If he did well in most classes and this was just one mismatch between teacher and child, I’d ask once and if there are no answers, just leave it be.
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