Action against high rental for RH in Jrslm

↑ ora_43 ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 12:36 pm

Sleepdeprived wrote:

Read what you wrote again, How is this not controlling others? The Rebbe should be understanding enough that times are hard. Just because he feels he needs his chassidim with him over YT/his chassidim feel they need to be with him over YT, does not give him the right to take away a chunk of parnassah from everyone else.

The only reason they would be getting that parnassah is because his chassidim want to be with him and vice versa. No chassidic gathering -> no super-high demand -> no extra thousands of shekels.

Trademark

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 12:47 pm

Blessing1 wrote:

I'm floored. Flying to Israel for yom tov is an absolute luxury! People should live within their means, and stay home for yom tov, instead of trying to control others so their wants & luxuries can be met. No words.

It's not only for people from chul.

I would say the majority is for Israelis coming from other cities to be with the rebbe for Yom tov.

And it's probably about them.

↑ Elfrida ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 12:50 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

But the amounts, so far, that have been flying on this thread, are high, yes, but not extortion.
And like I said earlier its literally supply and demand.

Back in the summer, someone posted a price that her husband had been quoted for an apartment in Meron for Lag b'Omer, and asked if it was reasonable. Everyone agreed that it was outrageous for 51 weeks of the year, but absolutely normal for that one week. The same principle of supply and demand. He was recommended to stay in Sfat and get the bus to Meron, but that's not an option of Rosh HaShana, which pushes the demand even higher.

↑ causemommysaid ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 12:53 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

But the amounts, so far, that have been flying on this thread, are high, yes, but not extortion.
And like I said earlier its literally supply and demand.

So Belz is exercising their right to not demand. They won't rent at prices they feel are unfair. How is this not part of capitalism but charging as high as you can all good?

If Belz is offering compensation that is too low, then the owners will refuse to rent and then Belz will have to go higher than they originally offered.

I really don't understand the one way outrage.

The only reason anyone thought to rent homes in that area anyway is because the Belzer Rebbi is there.

↑ causemommysaid ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 12:57 pm

giftedmom wrote:

I think people on this thread who are calling it a “luxury vacation” don’t really get the concept of going to a rebbe for YT. Carry on.

I get it but I don't think that is relevant. It's not a need. It's a want. Therefore capitalism is just fine both from the landlord and tenant.

If we were talking about basic food or Healthcare, the conversation would be different.

↑ DrMom

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:51 pm

abound wrote:

They are allowed to decide they wont rent above a certain price. You can make a group of ppl and decide you wentvrent from them all year above a certain amount.
I am not sure why you think thats an issue.

Right, but these are not individual property owners who consciously made a decision to cap their prices.

This is a committee imposing decisions on others in their community.

Edited to correct typos.

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↑ lovelylife ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:59 pm

Success10 wrote:

If it's nicely renovated in a prime location (including Ramat Eshkol area) then sadly, 11k is not 4 or 5 months of their rent. Closer to like 3.

It can easily be two.
A renovated 4 bedroom in a prime location (Romema, Ramat Eshkol) goes for upwards of 15knis per month. That's $4000.

Double rent is the going rate for Tishrei.

↑ Ruchi ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:04 pm

giftedmom wrote:

I think people on this thread who are calling it a “luxury vacation” don’t really get the concept of going to a rebbe for YT. Carry on.

Part and parcel of being a chasid, is going to your Rebbe for Yomim Noroim. It's not a luxury. It's not a vacation either. The chassidim come home utterly exhausted from the long and intense davening but spiritually uplifted for the entire year.

If you are not chassidish, it's something you might not be able to fully fathom.

↑ Ruchi ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:07 pm

lovelylife wrote:

It can easily be two.
A renovated 4 bedroom in a prime location (Romema, Ramat Eshkol) goes for upwards of 15knis per month. That's $4000.

Double rent is the going rate for Tishrei.

Why can't it be 1 1/2 plus cleaning fees?
There should be an extra damages deposit held and only returned if all is good.

↑ Blessing1

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:11 pm

giftedmom wrote:

I think people on this thread who are calling it a “luxury vacation” don’t really get the concept of going to a rebbe for YT. Carry on.

I do understand. What I don't understand is making it in to a family trip. What's commonly done is that only the man goes for rosh hashana. Making it in to a family trip for all of tishrei, is a luxury & want. Not something others should bend themselves backwards & lose money on to accommodate.

↑ lovelylife ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:19 pm

Ruchi wrote:

Why can't it be 1 1/2 plus cleaning fees?
There should be an extra damages deposit held and only returned if all is good.

Because as a tenant subletting my apartment, I need to:
a. cover rent
b. cover my tickets so you can have my apartment

The more you pay for your apartment, the more tickets cost (generally - bigger apartments = more children = more tickets).

↑ lotus2525

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:43 pm

Ruchi wrote:

Why can't it be 1 1/2 plus cleaning fees?
There should be an extra damages deposit held and only returned if all is good.

Because then the profit is only half my rent, before counting expenses of extra bedding, towels, folding beds, electricity w ac running at all hours… these things all add up and cut into my profit. airfare aside, renting out my apt while I’m away is a ton of work both before and after ( think emptying cabinets and closets, cleaning it spotless like you would do for pesach, coming back with jet lagged family and tons of luggage to a house that’s a wreck with nothing in its right place…) and I will only do it if the compensation is worth it.

↑ Brit in Israel ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:52 pm

Aurora wrote:

If the Belzer rebbe is so concerned about the cost for his chassidim, might he perhaps consider traveling instead to chutz l'aretz Belzer community once a year so they can see him instead of this?

It's not the same, going to daven in the Beis hamedresh with the rebbe for the yomim noroim isn't just like getting a brocha from him on a random day.

I'm not chassidish but have a relative and a friend chassidish and I see the rebbe is something you have to be chassidish to understand.

DH friend is Karlin chassidish and a few yrs ago the rebbe already told them if you are spending more than x amount to come and stay I don't allow you to come.... It seems to be each type are slowly joining the trend.

Amarante

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:53 pm

I have no skin in the game and am not against rent regulations for people who are actually renting an apartment to live in all the time.

However, I am in disbelief that anyone would try to impose a rent restriction on a luxury item like a vacation rental in high season.

People don't have a "right" to a cheap vacation apartment at the height of the season.

If they actually "flood" with accommodations so that price goes down, so be it because that is the law of supply and demand.

But I suspect the market won't be flooded because there are a limited number of desirable apartments in which the occupants want to move out.

It would have to be significantly beneficial for any rational person to go through all of the disruption to rent out their apartment for a short term unless there was significant economic benefit - and even then most people wouldn't.

You couldn't pay me to move out of my home to rent it. Besides the disruption to move, I would have to make sure that all of my personal stuff was locked up and even then I don't like the idea of strangers in my home.

↑ Elfrida

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 3:58 pm

Aurora wrote:

If the Belzer rebbe is so concerned about the cost for his chassidim, might he perhaps consider traveling instead to chutz l'aretz Belzer community once a year so they can see him instead of this?

I think there's more than one!

Probably at least some of the people renting these apartments are Israelis, living in other parts of the country. They are coming to Yerushalayim to spend Rosh HaShana with the Rebbe. (Do they come back for Yom Kippur?)

Under these guidlines, a five room apartment has a minimum of twelve beds, and extra beds can be added with no upper limit except what the space can accommodate. That doesn't sound to me like families coming from chutz l'aretz. It sounds more like bochrim and men who want to daven with the Rebbe, and are looking for somewhere to sleep.

Nicer apartments in Ramat Eshkol, which are more likely to be rented by families are not covered by this price cap.

↑ Brit in Israel ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 4:03 pm

Amarante wrote:

When my friend got married she rented a place on Shamgar in a new (8 yrs ago) building it was a 2 bedroom apartment but one room was locked with all the landlords stuff and the contract didn't include Tishrei.
He was an American chossid who came for YT and if he couldn't come he would rent it out for a crazy price, it wasn't worth to keep the regular tenants in.
It's a huge business. There were many apartments like that in the building.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 4:25 pm

giftedmom wrote:

I think people on this thread who are calling it a “luxury vacation” don’t really get the concept of going to a rebbe for YT. Carry on.

Its a luxury in the sense that someone in that community has to give up their home in order so that many strangers can stay there.
And so many want to be able to get dome monetary compensation for that. Which is 100% fair. Not sure why so msny dont see that.
How is it not a luxury that these men leave theur families to do this?

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 4:29 pm

Ruchi wrote:

Thats fair. But if you are someone who is not trying to be near their rebbe on rosh hashana, this whole concept literally just opened a way to make money. And I personally think its very fare.
If there werent those apartments, where wouod these men stay?