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amother

OP ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 10:33 am

There is a very well respected mohel from London currently jailed in Dublin for performing bris milah.

Please daven for yehonason asher Yehuda ben Michal.

amother

Blonde

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:05 pm

Oy!
How awful!

amother

Currant

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:17 pm

Quote:

While mohels perform circumcisions in line with Jewish tradition in Ireland and are legally allowed to do so, non-religious circumcision is considered a medical procedure rather than a religious ritual and requires a separate medical license.

Rabbi Jonathan Abraham, 47, was denied bail on Thursday when he appeared at Dublin District Court charged with carrying out a surgical procedure without being a registered medical practitioner.

So at least it's not because he was doing an actual bris

chestnut ↓

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:22 pm

amother Currant wrote:

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So at least it's not because he was doing an actual bris

Maybe he was doing a bris for an adult or an older child

amother

Dustypink

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:23 pm

He was doing a regular Bris on a newborn. They are very antisemitic and against a Bris. He did nothing wrong he’s literally being jailed for doing a very basic mitzvah.

amother

Petunia

Fri, Aug 02 2024, 4:28 pm

sequoia ↓

Sat, Aug 03 2024, 7:19 pm

Here is an excellent article:

https://www.israelhayom.com/20.....rous/

amother

Feverfew

Sat, Aug 03 2024, 7:22 pm

Thanks for posting the name. Will Daven. May he be released very soon!

amother

Sand ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 3:13 am

sequoia wrote:

Here is an excellent article:

https://www.israelhayom.com/20.....rous/

While this is in an interesting article, I don't think this case is necessarily anti-semitic, athough I agree its really bad optics for Ireland at this current moment in history. I think this mohel would have been arrested whatever his religion. It was a few non Jewish families (I think Muslim, not sure) who got together and hired him to come over. Somebody in the area must have seen what was going on and called the police. It may have motivated by racism towards the families, or genuine concern for the babies, since some people use untrained people to circumcise thier children. Ironically these families went to the trouble of flying in someone very experienced and reliable.

Jews in Ireland have been doing Bris mila forever, there has never been an issue before this. I don't think he would have been arrested if it was a Jewish baby - it would be considered a religious ceremony.

Irish people in general do not perform circumcision, it is very unfamiliar to them.

Iyh the mohel will be released very soon and be home with his family.

#BestBubby

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 5:59 am

amother Sand wrote:

I highly doubt they would arrest a Muslim for circumcision.

Even when Muslims do female genital mutilation they are rarely prosecuted.

↑ sequoia ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 10:42 am

amother Sand wrote:

Yeah I get that Wink

Just wanted people to have some background re the conflict in Northern Ireland and why the identification with the Palestinian cause.

SuperWify

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 10:44 am

sequoia wrote:

Yeah I get that Wink

Just wanted people to have some background re the conflict in Northern Ireland and why the identification with the Palestinian cause.

Thanks for linking. I found it fascinating.

↑ chestnut

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 10:47 am

amother Sand wrote:

It's a religious thing for Muslims, just as for Jews. So why was he arrested?

amother

↑ Sand ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 11:03 am

chestnut wrote:

It's a religious thing for Muslims, just as for Jews. So why was he arrested?

Good question, I am wondering the same. If the babies were muslim, and Islamic law allows a Jewish mohel, it would be a religious ceremony and allowed.

I am not 100% certain the babies were muslim also. But definitely not Jewish. Maybe African?

Here is someone else who got into trouble.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts.....iled/

amother

↑ Sand ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 11:06 am

#BestBubby wrote:

I highly doubt they would arrest a Muslim for circumcision.

Even when Muslims do female genital mutilation they are rarely prosecuted.

I am sure you have an indepth knowledge of Irish culture, laws and legal history.

amother

Brickred

Sun, Aug 04 2024, 11:27 am

amother Sand wrote:

I am sure you have an indepth knowledge of Irish culture, laws and legal history.

Lol. Lets defend the Irish. They are one of the most antisemitic European countries atm. It is highly likely this was an antisemitic witch hunt

amother

Cherry

Tue, Aug 06 2024, 5:26 pm

Do we know what happened today at the court hearing?

amother

↑ Sand ↓

Wed, Aug 07 2024, 2:02 am

Irish Independant
Tom Tuite
Yesterday at 14:28
A London-based rabbi accused of performing an illegal circumcision on a young child in Dublin has been further remanded in custody pending directions from the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).
Jonathan Abraham, 47, was arrested in Dublin on July 30 and charged with performing a surgical procedure, male circumcision on a child, without being a registered medical practitioner at an address in Dublin 15.

Two days later, the father of 10 was denied bail, and he faced his second hearing when he appeared at Cloverhill District Court today.

Judge Catherine Hayden noted from the court sergeant that the DPP's directions were still outstanding.

Defence solicitor Ciara Hallinan said the accused, who did not address the court, consented to a two-week adjournment.

Judge Hayden remanded him in continuing custody to appear again via video link on August 20.

At the previous hearing in Dublin District Court, Detective Garda Megan Furey said Mr Abraham "made no reply" when charged. Due to the seriousness of the case, there were objections to bail.

The detective had said the offence, contrary to the Medical Practitioners Act 2007, could result in a maximum fine of €130,000 and five years' imprisonment.

Detective Garda Furey said there was strong evidence in support of the charge. Gardaí entered an address in Dublin 15 just after 1pm on Tuesday with the homeowners' consent.

According to the detective, they observed the accused "dressed in a white robe, a doctor's-style coat, with blue gloves and a scalpel in his hand".

The court heard there was a table in the middle of the room with a changing pad, scissors and other medical supplies and implements.

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"Gardaí at this time also observed a very young child on the changing pad naked," she said, adding that they established that a circumcision procedure had already been carried out on another child at the premises.

The detective had told the court that a file is being prepared for the DPP, and "it's envisaged that there will be multiple further charges in due course".

Citing "significant flight risk" fears, she said that the accused flew into Ireland on July 30 around noontime and had a return flight booked for the same evening. She added that he had no ties to this jurisdiction and did not have any property, assets or dependents in this country.

She described him as a man of means and had grave concerns that he would evade justice, adding that he had a strong incentive to leave the country.

The detective agreed that the accused had not held himself out to be a doctor, and she accepted that he was a rabbi.

The hearing was told that Mr Abraham was registered as a mohel, the Hebrew term for a person qualified to carry out circumcisions. It was claimed he was a member of the Initiation Society, the oldest Anglo-Jewish organisation founded in 1745.

The hearing was told that he was allowed to perform circumcisions, had done so for more than 13 years, and was fully trained medically and ethically to perform them.

The court heard that the same procedures would have been completely legal in England.

amother

↑ OP

Fri, Aug 09 2024, 5:59 am

Please say Tehillim now if you see this.

PinkFridge ↓

Fri, Aug 09 2024, 6:27 am

amother OP wrote:

Please say Tehillim now if you see this.

I hear that this request is going out because he's having a hearing on his prison conditions. He's been denied kosher food and his tefillin.
Bsuros tovos!