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 Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:08 pm
| shabbatiscoming wrote: | | So if your rabbanim have spoken out against ALL social media, why are you on imamother? This is social media as well. It may look a bit different than linked in or facebook, but it is 10000000% social media. |
Nope, they have not spoken out against FORUMS, only social media platforms where everyone can have their own page. Do you have a personal page on Imamother? I haven't seen it.
Please tell me you can tell the difference between Facebook and Imamother and why rabbonim are quick to speak out against one and not the other.
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:11 pm
| amother Papayawhip wrote: | Honestly, I wish I spent a lot less time here.
But by "off the grid" I meant off social media.
Yes, I know that posters will rush to claim that Imamother is social media just like Instagram and Facebook but come on, who are we kidding? We all know they're worlds apart. Case in point, the issues OP is bringing up with LinkedIn obviously don't happen here. |
But we do have to be on guard for ona'as devarim and LH here.
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:14 pm
| amother Papayawhip wrote: | Nope, they have not spoken out against FORUMS, only social media platforms where everyone can have their own page. Do you have a personal page on Imamother? I haven't seen it.
Please tell me you can tell the difference between Facebook and Imamother and why rabbonim are quick to speak out against one and not the other. |
I was just quoting that post. Dont know if it was you or someone else who said ALL social media.
And of vourse I know the difference. But I also dont live in the world where rabbanim are speaking out about these things.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:17 pm
| PinkFridge wrote: | | But we do have to be on guard for ona'as devarim and LH here. |
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But the issues on Imamother really don't come close to that of other kinds of social media.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:18 pm
| shabbatiscoming wrote: | I was just quoting that post. Dont know if it was you or someone else who said ALL social media.
And of vourse I know the difference. But I also dont live in the world where rabbanim are speaking out about these things. |
Well then WADR you really shouldn't be rushing to point out "I gotchas!" if you're not in this world and unfamiliar with what their rabbonim are saying.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:30 pm
The truth is, most of the rabbanim who speak out about internet usage are not so well versed in it. They only know what people tell them. So if they hear about instagram, that's what they'll say is bad. There aren't going to be too many askanim complaining about message board forums to them, because tbh, at the height of their popularity, most of the right wing world wasn't online yet (\back when orgs like the Agudah still used fax machines and were stating they'd never have a website). But just because forums aren't as popular as FB (which is going out, too) or tiktok or instagram, it doesn't mean it's not a form of sm.
Remember there was some sort of an Asifa a few years ago, right around the time Unorthodox had just hit netflix? One of the those speaking (who has been probably the most outspoken about internet, going back to the original asifa in citifield) sort of referred to it, but it was clear he had never heard of Netflix before and wasn't really sure what it was, only what he had been told. I don't say this to put anyone down, just to say that you can't expect rabbanim to know the ins and outs of going online, and if you are using the fact that rabbanim haven't specifically included message board forums when they speak out against social media, it doesn't mean they wouldn't if they knew more about it.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:37 pm
| amother PlumPink wrote: | The truth is, most of the rabbanim who speak out about internet usage are not so well versed in it. They only know what people tell them. So if they hear about instagram, that's what they'll say is bad. There aren't going to be too many askanim complaining about message board forums to them, because tbh, at the height of their popularity, most of the right wing world wasn't online yet (\back when orgs like the Agudah still used fax machines and were stating they'd never have a website). But just because forums aren't as popular as FB (which is going out, too) or tiktok or instagram, it doesn't mean it's not a form of sm.
Remember there was some sort of an Asifa a few years ago, right around the time Unorthodox had just hit netflix? One of the those speaking (who has been probably the most outspoken about internet, going back to the original asifa in citifield) sort of referred to it, but it was clear he had never heard of Netflix before and wasn't really sure what it was, only what he had been told. I don't say this to put anyone down, just to say that you can't expect rabbanim to know the ins and outs of going online, and if you are using the fact that rabbanim haven't specifically included message board forums when they speak out against social media, it doesn't mean they wouldn't if they knew more about it. |
Rabbonim know a lot more than you think. When new technology emerges, it may take them some time to understand what it's about (like the blanket ban on AI last year), but by now they know exactly what Facebook and Instagram are all about. And again, the issue isn't that Imamother is officially called "social media." We all know that's just semantics.
Either way, I have to disagree with your post. There are very specific components of platform-based social media that they speak out against, none of which are present on forum-based social media. Yes, they may call it a waste of time and worse, but it's definitely not untouchable like many rabbonim think Instagram and the like should be.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:51 pm
| amother Papayawhip wrote: | | Rabbonim know a lot more than you think. When new technology emerges, it may take them some time to understand what it's about (like the blanket ban on AI last year), but by now they know exactly what Facebook and Instagram are all about. |
Ive listened to most of the various asifa speeches etc and I'd disagree with you here. Rabbanim know what askonim tell them, and most askanim are middle aged and not exactly with the latest trends themselves. (It's interesting that you mention FB and Instagram only, sorry but that shows you are also behind the times with what's the latest. FB is not cool anymore and hasn't been for some time for example. It's probably most popular with middle aged+ by this point.)
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:55 pm
| amother Papayawhip wrote: | 💯
But the issues on Imamother really don't come close to that of other kinds of social media. |
ITA.
But Imamother has its own issues. And the way people debate each other here is very, very disconcerting. If I ever disagree with someone, I want the discourse to be such that we could find ourselves seated at the same table somewhere and still be comfortable with each other.
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 12:56 pm
| amother PlumPink wrote: | The truth is, most of the rabbanim who speak out about internet usage are not so well versed in it. They only know what people tell them. So if they hear about instagram, that's what they'll say is bad. There aren't going to be too many askanim complaining about message board forums to them, because tbh, at the height of their popularity, most of the right wing world wasn't online yet (\back when orgs like the Agudah still used fax machines and were stating they'd never have a website). But just because forums aren't as popular as FB (which is going out, too) or tiktok or instagram, it doesn't mean it's not a form of sm.
Remember there was some sort of an Asifa a few years ago, right around the time Unorthodox had just hit netflix? One of the those speaking (who has been probably the most outspoken about internet, going back to the original asifa in citifield) sort of referred to it, but it was clear he had never heard of Netflix before and wasn't really sure what it was, only what he had been told. I don't say this to put anyone down, just to say that you can't expect rabbanim to know the ins and outs of going online, and if you are using the fact that rabbanim haven't specifically included message board forums when they speak out against social media, it doesn't mean they wouldn't if they knew more about it. |
Yeah, I've heard some rail against certain techno things and I thought that they didn't get it. But, many many more do know exactly what they're talking about. And even those who don't still know a LOT and have seen way too much. I still take them seriously.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 1:00 pm
Imamother is different
It is only for women
Exclusively
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 1:11 pm
Well any men who are posters have to pretend to be a woman. And if one ended up pm'ing a legitimate poster and admitted that he's actually a man I would think that he would be reported immediately.
So far all intents and purposes it functions as a women only site (in terms of appropriate behavior and conversation between genders)
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 1:23 pm
It's very naive to think there are no men posting here. It's not hard to pick out certain posts, writing style, references, way of arguing, even certain terminology used. I personally don't engage once I realize, but plenty here do because they don't pick up on it.
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 1:26 pm
| amother PlumPink wrote: | | It's very naive to think there are no men posting here. It's not hard to pick out certain posts, writing style, references, way of arguing, even certain terminology used. I personally don't engage once I realize, but plenty here do because they don't pick up on it. |
If you think someone is a man, report them and admin will block them.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 1:59 pm
| amother PlumPink wrote: | | Ive listened to most of the various asifa speeches etc and I'd disagree with you here. Rabbanim know what askonim tell them, and most askanim are middle aged and not exactly with the latest trends themselves. (It's interesting that you mention FB and Instagram only, sorry but that shows you are also behind the times with what's the latest. FB is not cool anymore and hasn't been for some time for example. It's probably most popular with middle aged+ by this point.) |
I think you're referring to rally/Kol Koreh rabbonim and I'm talking about when asking private shailos. It could be what you're saying is true of the "bigger names" that speak at these asifas, but that's not true of every posek/rav. The ones who are entrenched in the issues that can arise from exactly these platforms are the ones that know exactly what they're about.
Re the bolded, thanks for the snark, but no, this only shows how behind the times YOU are. Maybe you haven't been following the conversation, but we're not talking about "cool" here. I've specifically mentioned Facebook and Instagram because this is a thread about LinkedIn, I.e. platforms for business purposes. Most every business today has a page on the three platforms I just mentioned plus another on X (my own business does not, as I wrote upthread). Most self-respecting ones do NOT have platforms on TikTok and other trendier platforms.
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 2:50 pm
Posting anonymously to protect my identity.
I was pretty active on LinkedIn for a while. My industry is such that it is super relevant for me to be "seen" and seem knowledgable/capable and my posts typically garnered a lot of "views/likes" especially from those in the same industry.
I have stopped LI cold turkey and this is why:
The people that are really successful do not waste thier time posting on social media. I have come to learn that LI is a place for people to "chill", for good and for bad, but no real, serious business really comes from it. Yes, you might tell me that you are on LI/know someone that is on LI and have been really successful - that's great, but you are the exception. Most real business in the Frum world comes from referrals/word of mouth and even good old fashioned print ads. People in my industry who seemed super successful usually ended up taking on new roles/switching industries etc. Also, just because someone seems amazing doesn't mean they are actually skilled, it might just mean they are good at marketing/have a good ghostwriter.
That being said, in terms of the people that hang around LI - since they aren't doing so well in business, they are looking to unwind and sending a witty comment on a post kind of fills that need for them. I haven't gotten much inappropiate feedback/PM's but the laxity and friendliness is strange - as people have mentioned if they wouldn't look at you IRL, why are they commenting (emoji's included) on your post?!
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 5:17 pm
| amother Pewter wrote: | Posting anonymously to protect my identity.
I was pretty active on LinkedIn for a while. My industry is such that it is super relevant for me to be "seen" and seem knowledgable/capable and my posts typically garnered a lot of "views/likes" especially from those in the same industry.
I have stopped LI cold turkey and this is why:
The people that are really successful do not waste thier time posting on social media. I have come to learn that LI is a place for people to "chill", for good and for bad, but no real, serious business really comes from it. Yes, you might tell me that you are on LI/know someone that is on LI and have been really successful - that's great, but you are the exception. Most real business in the Frum world comes from referrals/word of mouth and even good old fashioned print ads. People in my industry who seemed super successful usually ended up taking on new roles/switching industries etc. Also, just because someone seems amazing doesn't mean they are actually skilled, it might just mean they are good at marketing/have a good ghostwriter.
That being said, in terms of the people that hang around LI - since they aren't doing so well in business, they are looking to unwind and sending a witty comment on a post kind of fills that need for them. I haven't gotten much inappropiate feedback/PM's but the laxity and friendliness is strange - as people have mentioned if they wouldn't look at you IRL, why are they commenting (emoji's included) on your post?! |
hiya - I was also very active on LinkedIn and I've also laid off of it recently.
but I actually found I got TONS of leads and referrals from it - too many to handle.
I have a naturally silly, playful and teasing personality, kibbitz with boys and girls alike as if siblings, nothing crazy just like yank peoples chain, but I started wondering if it might be sometimes perceived as flirting to more of an insular type of person that never grew up interacting with girls (bc people more modern yeshivish/modox would never think twice with my interactions, its just normal whateverness like 'why did you choose that color, your illustration looks like a happy cheeto')
right now, I step in and out every couple months just to test the waters, but I started getting a bad/not kosher feeling recently and I'm trying to follow my gut.
haShem will hopefully send me referrals through other ways, so far so good.
I also started finding it faker and faker and faker. when I first started 7 years ago people were more normal and real and using it for networking and sharing case studies and interesting work and knowledge. nwo it became like this fake congratulatory world of nonsense.
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 5:20 pm
| Busybee5 wrote: | | I'm a mother is very different. If you're anonymous then no one can pm you. Plus there shouldn't be men posting anything on here anyway. Lurking you can't stop them I guess. |
There shouldn't and there isn't B"h. It's a women's only club!
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Tue, Jul 23 2024, 5:23 pm
| amother Snowdrop wrote: | You didn't? Then you're not on LinkedIn.
Come on. I'm there for years and that's the vibe.
I have received support messages from men and I'm there without a profile picture.
Its just that my comments are always very intelligent and I have great sense of humor so people think I'm a flirt.
I comment on women's posts only btw. |
If you see its wrong, why are you still there?
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