S/O Anti Vaxx | Imamother

amother

↑ Stoneblue ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 12:11 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Anti vaxxers do NOT rely on herd immunity.

Most try to expose their children to chicken pox, measles and mumps to get real lifelong immunity.

Also, There is no herd immunity because vaccine immunity wears off after a few years.

Not true again as a whole. I'm not referring to seasonal vaccines, but many of the others offer lifelong protection for the majority. There are always individualistic differences with any med treatment. Just because some exist, it doesn't speak to the efficacy of the products. Even basic antibiotics work differently in some patients. There is no such a thing as 100% effectiveness for any med treatment.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 12:18 am

amother Stoneblue wrote:

Oh, so they expose them to polio, whooping cough, meningitis too?

As for mumps, I truly hope they don't. Mumps can cause sterility in boys. They may find this out only later in life when they get married. Who wants to take this risk with their boys?

Mumps can cause sterility if you get mumps after puberty.

That is why some try to expose their sons before puberty.

Mumps vaccine wears off leaving boys at risk of getting mumps as adult, risking sterility.

amother

↑ Heather ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 12:21 am

amother Stoneblue wrote:

Actually, polio cases started going down before the vaccine was created. Being that you're in the field you might've seen that chart. Or maybe you closed your eyes bc it doesn't go with your science.

My premature baby caught RSV in the NICU and guess what-there's a G-d in the world who caused that to happen-we davened hard for her recovery and BH she got over it and she's a healthy 1 year old!!

Any sickness/illness we get is from Him.
Giving vaccines on the first day of life is another proof that is doesn't make sense. Hep B? Do you know what that's for??

amother

↑ Heather ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 12:28 am

amother Stoneblue wrote:

No, I assist in developing these vaccines. And can't say much more without outimg myself. What I can say is that you're spewing loads of propaganda. The completed clinical trials information is public. Why don't you read through the study designs, the control groups, the protocols and the statistical analysis on them yourself instead of relying on information that others are feeding you.

Here is one link to a clinical trial database - clinicaltrials.gov.

I don't see any studies of the unvaccinated compared to the vaccinated here. Can you find them and post please?

amother

↑ Stoneblue ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 12:33 am

amother Heather wrote:

I have to log off since it's midnight. So I will finish off by saying that I'm so glad to hear that your baby is OK after RSV. Unfortunately, some others weren't as lucky as you. May you never know the pain of a mother who leaves the hospital without her baby. And may you never feel so helpless as the staff in the PICU watching these babies struggle for every breath but there isn't much they can do. (I can personally attest to the latter, what a horrible, awful feeling.)

But I do have a question. Do you think the medical world should hold off developing prophylactic treatments just because many patients recover? Should the world not try to save the others? By your theory, since your baby recovered, we don't need to be concerned about those who don't. In using the same logic, we shouldn't try to prevent cancer. After all, many people recover.

Side note - medication and vaccines are from HIM too.

amother

↑ Stoneblue

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 12:36 am

amother Heather wrote:

I don't see any studies of the unvaccinated compared to the vaccinated here. Can you find them and post please?

You couldn't possibly have checked the database so I am calling you out for that. There are hundreds and hundreds of trials there so your statement is false. Why don't you actually search, and read thru the protocols first?

If this is how you do research, then that explains the faulty information.

amother

Mulberry

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 2:02 am

amother Dill wrote:

Hmmmm… the kids who get freshly vaccinated should also inform the compromised- because they’re carrying around a live virus and can often spread it. Fun fact: patient zero is typically the vaccinated. Do your homework!

Most vaccines in the US are not live...

amother

↑ Heather ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 10:58 am

amother Stoneblue wrote:

Do you really expect me to go through hundreds and hundreds of trials? I read a few and was scrolling for more info comparing the unvaccinated.
PLUS, I know first hand from vaccine injury lawyers (yes, 2 of them) that it doesn't exist. They won't do a study comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated bc more people would stop vaccinating.

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 2:23 pm

amother Stoneblue wrote:

That's what I have done. Obviously I couldn't have possibly read through all the thousands of trials, but I read through a few. And I've been singularly unimpressed with what I saw. Please share with me the type of trials that actually prove vaccine safety for the current schedule or any accepted alternative schedule.

It's easier to call all anti-vaxxers stupid and ignorant than to prove that vaccines are safe. Happens to be both those assertions are false.

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 2:25 pm

amother Stoneblue wrote:

If you can tell vaccines induced illnesses simply by walking the streets, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Or rather, the word vaccine wouldn't even be in our dictionary.

The mind is a powerful thing. When hyperfocus comes into play, our brains suddenly see it everywhere. Add emotions to it, and we have a movement born.

That is not saying that vaccines are perfect without repercussions. But the amount of misinformation that is spread, and thereby causing the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater, is very troubling.

As with everything, there is a happy medium. I.e. the polio and mmr vaccines are not in the same category as the covid or flu vaccine. The meningitis shot is not the same as the chicken pox shot. There is a strong need to learn the differences so that we indeed keep our children and grandchildren healthy.

I was specifically referred to severe eczema, which is usually triggered by vaccines. And you can see it straight with your eyes, no mind games needed.

Feel free to link a single study that shows that vaccines do not cause eczema. I don't believe it exists but I would love to see it if it does.

amother

Peony ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 7:23 pm

amother Butterscotch wrote:

Wouldn't you prefer your kid to have eczema rather then meningitis or polio? I would.

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 7:28 pm

amother Peony wrote:

Wouldn't you prefer your kid to have eczema rather then meningitis or polio? I would.

I absolutely would risk the very unlikely case of vaccine preventable diseases over the horrendous eczema we have dealt with in the past. You think eczema can't be life destroying? Or even cause fatal complications?

And that's besides all the other life limiting things caused by vaccine injuries. My goal in life is not for my kids to have the absolute best chance of survival. It's for them to have the absolute best chance of a good life. I'm not risking a one in five chance of a life limiting diagnosis to prevent a 1 in a million chance of death.

Obviously if there was an active polio outbreak I would vaccinate, because then the risks would change. But there isn't, and not because of herd immunity. Polio is not widespread right now anywhere, even places they don't vaccinate.

amother

Daphne ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 7:34 pm

amother Butterscotch wrote:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.c.....czema

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648762/

https://nationaleczema.org/blo.....zema/

https://www.pierrefabreeczemaf.....child

amother

↑ Peony ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 7:38 pm

amother Butterscotch wrote:

You're right, Polio is not widespread these days. Ever wondered why? Because of the vaccine. It's very common in 3rd world countries where vaccines are not available.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 7:44 pm

amother Peony wrote:

Wouldn't you prefer your kid to have eczema rather then meningitis or polio? I would.

So your child never goes in a car because 40,000 Americans die yearly in car accidents, plus many more seriously injured.

Your child is not allowed to swim, or bike because drowning and head Injuries.

Is the above correct?

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 7:56 pm

amother Peony wrote:

You're right, Polio is not widespread these days. Ever wondered why? Because of the vaccine. It's very common in 3rd world countries where vaccines are not available.

That's false unless by 3rd world you mean Afghanistan. There were practically no wild cases (as opposed to vaccine induced cases) of polio in 2022.

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 7:57 pm

amother Daphne wrote:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/vaccines-eczema-questions#can-vaccines-trigger-eczema

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648762/

https://nationaleczema.org/blo.....zema/

https://www.pierrefabreeczemaf.....child

I went through a whole bunch of these studies. None that I saw were done with the CDC schedule. Almost all of them are done European countries that give a fraction as many vaccines as they give here.

amother

↑ Butterscotch ↓

Tue, Jun 25 2024, 8:05 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

No, non-vaxed kids are an intolerable public health hazard but kids riding ebikes, scooters, etc. are okay. Politics at its best.