Modern Orthodox School that parents follow the hashkafa

nylon ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 12:53 am

amother Navyblue wrote:

well you are not the majority of parents who send to SAR. it is overall an extremaly modern and liberal school where most people do not follow halacha.

This is offensive. Yes it leans more modern, and not all parents are fully observant but to say "most people do not follow halacha" is motzi shem ra.

To OP, most MO schools do not make the same level of demands regarding conduct outside of school. However there is some degree of self segregation. The more liberal families in Teaneck, for example, would not usually choose RYNJ. JEC tends a bit more RWMO, but it's a community school, so if a more liberal family lived in Elizabeth/Hillside, they would send there.

A few schools, such as Shulamith in the 5T, do have some explicit rules, e.g. no co-ed camps. I would say there is a little more definition, hashkafically, in the high schools.

amother

Bluebell ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 3:02 am

amother Navyblue wrote:

well you are not the majority of parents who send to SAR. it is overall an extremaly modern and liberal school where most people do not follow halacha.

What in the world is wrong with you? Why are you so filled with animosity? You don’t need to send there but why the LH and Motzi Shem Ra?

amother

↑ Bluebell

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 3:06 am

amother Hyssop wrote:

The kids from Teaneck would talk about SAR as a much more religiously lax school. Idk they'd send me texts on Shabbat and eat pizza from an oven that has just baked a pepperoni pizza moments before.

This is so not true. The kids in Teaneck have better middot than to speak like this.
I have lived in Teaneck for more than 20 years, have kids in different schools (chanech banav al pi darKo) and who have different social circles. I have never heard in person what I hear on this site from people who don’t live in Bergen County (or Riverdale), and don’t identify as MO.

amother

↑ Strawberry ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 5:18 am

Someone coming from a yeshivish place isn’t going to be comfortable with SAR where last I’ve heard there’s co-Ed gym classes and liberal minyanim and a LGBT club. If that derech works for you, then great. But the rest of us realize that OP is looking for RWMO which SAR definitely not.

Goldie613 ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 5:51 am

I'm curious - is RWMO what we used to call modern yeshivish? Or is this something else? I feel like the terms are constantly changing!

OP, what are the most important factors for you in choosing a school? Are you looking for certain types of kids/teachers, in terms of the types of people your kids will interact with, are you looking for what derech the school encourages, or something else entirely?

amother

↑ Strawberry ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 6:11 am

Goldie613 wrote:

The difference between rwmo and modern yeshivish is what op is looking for. RWMO is b’shitta part of the modern world but very much in the confines of Halacha. It’s also called right wing YU. It’s Torah umaddah bshitta. It’s the people who get a good secular education and don’t have a TV/ watch movies/ still dress tznius, because they intentionally chose that path. It’s the men who are rabbi dr because they got a phd in whatever and smicha from riets. It’s not an easy line to ride, but you’re more likely to find it where you find riets and landers graduTes/ Rebbeim

amother

↑ Aconite

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 6:23 am

And I am sticking to my guns. SAR is a religious school, as is the student body and families. There are so many false rumors, distortions, and frankly a fair amount of malice in these responses. I cannot vouch for the sending texts on Shabbos since my kids don't do that, but I can tell you that it's not the rule and it happens in many other places. I work with women from Yeshivish, Chassidish, and JPF families and there is a lot going on with both teens and adults. Pointing fingers is neither useful nor accurate.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 6:28 am

Goldie613 wrote:

An education where both Torah and knowledge are taken seriously and secular knowledge is not looked at as a boogeyman but rather a required part of Torah.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 6:29 am

amother Strawberry wrote:

This

↑ Goldie613

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 6:29 am

amother Strawberry wrote:

OK, so if that's what RWMO is, then what is modern yeshivish nowadays? Or is that term not really used anymore?

OP, I hope you find the schools your family needs!

amother

↑ Strawberry ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 7:17 am

Goldie613 wrote:

OK, so if that's what RWMO is, then what is modern yeshivish nowadays? Or is that term not really used anymore?

OP, I hope you find the schools your family needs!

From what I understand, modern yeshivish is we dress the dress of yeshivish but watch movies at home and go mixed swimming on vacation. I don’t think it’s as popular as it once was though. It could also be used to mean yeshivish but goes to college, but that’s less common.

amother

↑ Strawberry ↓

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 7:37 am

amother OP wrote:

This

Based on this definition of RWMO, the biggest pockets of it I know are in Bergenfield NJ, areas of the 5 towns, and queens- but that’s very young only. I think there’s also pockets in Chicago, highland park nj, Passaic nj, and Boston. The problem you’re going to hit is that the RWMO community is not big enough to have exclusive schools , so they either share with MO or with Yeshivish (see discussions of RYNJ, YBH, JEC above). At the high school level it’s easier to find real RWMO (Naaleh and heichal Hatorah were made by the Bergenfield community for this segment).

amother

Bluebonnet

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 7:53 am

amother Strawberry wrote:

I don’t think this is it.

amother

↑ DarkCyan

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 7:58 am

amother Strawberry wrote:

Agreed. I would think some form of religious Zionism would be included in this definition of RWMO as well. Many of this type of people make aliyah so that makes the RWMO population even smaller.
While there are young people in Queens that are this hashkafa, the schools are yeshivish, albeit open minded to RWMO families. End result most of the time is that the kids end up falling somewhere on the yeshivish spectrum as adults. I don’t think most of these young families will end up staying in Queens long term. I think the school issue is the similar in the 5T as well. I think that the parent body at Shulamith leans more “modern yeshivish” as described here than RWMO and there is no boys school with the same hashkafa. Many people who have daughters in Shulamith send their sons to South Shore, but the hashkafos aren’t truly the same.
And while YBH is moving to the right, the younger parent body in RYNJ is to the left of the older parents. It’s so complicated. Hatzlacha, OP!

amother

Sand

Mon, Jun 24 2024, 8:02 am

amother Strawberry wrote:

Your explanation earlier of RWMO was right. It was about the hashkafa of Torah umada being at the root of their actions.
Modern yeshivish is the same, but the root of their actions are yeshivish hashkafas. The hashkafa of Torah learning being most important and respected and holding up the world, at the root of it.
Otherwise, the actions and hashkafas of rwmo and modern yeshivish are basically the same. I say this as a more modern yeshivish (jpf?) woman with a LOT of RWMO relatives.
Our actions are the same basically, the root of what we find most important is a drop different
That’s it