Are my dreams so unrealistic?

Bnei Berak 10 ↓

Thu, May 16 2024, 6:28 am

amother OP wrote:

I don’t believe in choosing a miserable and degrading work just to get by

That's *exactly* what Russians did when they came in the 90's. Did they choose it? No. Many of them were MD's and engineers from the most prominent universities in USSR. Tons of academics but they didn't know Hebrew and they had to do exams in israel in order to get their license. Many of them swept the streets in Israel.
I know you didn't ask but I strongly recommend you to invest time and effort in learning Hebrew. It's The Key to so many things.

amother

↑ OP

Thu, May 16 2024, 6:36 am

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

I took Ulpan twice. I know how important Hebrew is. Language is just not my strong suit.

amother

Crocus

Thu, May 16 2024, 6:47 am

It's easy to underestimate the value of a low paying job, but everything professional in this country is about connections. That being said, you need to look at any job you take as an investment in building connections. So even if it's not exactly what you want or the pay is lower than what you think you deserve, the best way to get a job is to have a job.

I really wanted to work in one place that I was totally qualified for, but they never even called me back when I sent my resume, even though I knew they were hiring. So I took a less desirable job in the same field, lower pay, less good conditions, and guess what? A year later someone in that place go me an "in" by passing along my resume and recommending me to the place I wanted originally. I've been there now more than 5 years.

So at the moment, you should take what you can get and build connections. Even if you work as a Gan assistant (which is one of the most important people in mine and my children's lives btw), you might meet a parent or coworker who knows someone who knows someone. Each job leads to the next and you work your way up.

↑ Elfrida ↓

Thu, May 16 2024, 6:49 am

amother OP wrote:

You clearly did not read the full situation and I would appreciate for the future if you don’t give advice on subjects you don’t know such as alternative medicine field.

Well, let's just say that my experience us considerably wider than that if any student.

Never mind. Hang on to your dreams if you like. One day you'll grow up.

amother

Milk

Thu, May 16 2024, 6:52 am

amother OP wrote:

Our parents are giving us a down payment for where we choose but the mortgage is on us. My husband has many skills and no one is hiring. No one has been helpful just telling me I have way too high expectations. Like sorry I want to live in a world where I could put food on the table, my bad

You asked if your dreams are unrealistic. That is literally your subject line. I've read every comment and post on this thread. You want to work a job in which you do alternative medicine, but remote with US clients only so no one can see you in person. You want to work part time hours and earn a full time salary in Israel. You feel you are overqualified to take a job while you train (and how are you training if you don't speak hebrew? I assume your training is on-line in english?).

You do live in a world in which you can put food on the table. But you are not playing by the rules of the world you live in. You can earn money and put food on the table, but it may mean working through the issues you have so you can do so.

Issues as I see them:
- you don't know the language of the country you live in and it seems moving to America is not an option for you, not sure why.
- you don't seem like learning the language is a priority.
- you won't take a job that you feel is beneath you.
- you want to live in a standard of living that is very high for the country you are in, and you are not willing to work the hours you need, at higher paying jobs that you don't like, to provide the income your dream home requires.

So the answer people are giving you, to the question you asked is seemingly the thing you said in the post I just quoted that's upsetting you. Yes, you are being unrealistic at this point for what you want and what you are willing to do for it.

amother

↑ Coffee

Thu, May 16 2024, 6:55 am

amother OP wrote:

I took Ulpan twice. I know how important Hebrew is. Language is just not my strong suit.

Ulpan is only the beginning. It gives you a foundation. Then you have to go out there and speak Hebrew and make mistakes and look stupid and gradually internalise it all. We've all been there. It takes time to become really fluent, and you're never going to get there without practice.

groovy1224

Thu, May 16 2024, 7:08 am

amother OP wrote:

I'm sorry but are you this rude at job interviews? You posted a question asking if you are being unrealistic, people are taking time out of their day to give you genuine feedback on what you posted and you're throwing a tantrum? Do you want people to answer your honestly or just tell you what you want to hear?

Your parents are supporting you through school, AND giving you a down payment to live wherever you want but you're complaining that your dreams seem unattainable. Lots of people achieve their dreams starting with much less than you've been given. Or, they settle for less than their dreams, because that's life. Hint: They don't get there by whining. I'm not telling you that you're not working hard, but you may need a reality check here. You want to make money? Take a job. Your job market value is not dictated but what you feel you are worth, but by what employers are telling you your work is worth to them at this time. If you feel that's beneath you, that's a you problem.

↑ Bnei Berak 10

Thu, May 16 2024, 7:10 am

amother Coffee wrote:

I chime in

amother

Hydrangea

Thu, May 16 2024, 7:44 am

I don't think people are being fair to OP , she has a reasonable question, maybe she didn't write it well.
With School paid for and a down payment is it realistic to be able to live a high income life in Israel?
I think the answers say it is, but to get the high income jobs you need to speak the language and have "in demand" skills. You don't yet have these things so you first need to except available jobs and then work your way up. Under you circumstances, with your husband engineering job and you providing a smaller second income, and having a down payment given to you, it's possible.

amother

Bluebell

Thu, May 16 2024, 8:30 am

amother OP wrote:

They are right. They are trying to tell you something important. Your expectations are actually very achievable in your situation but you aren't willing to realistically work towards them.
Imagine I would move to the US, refuse to learn English, work as a juggler in kindergartens and complain that I cannot buy a penthouse in Manhattan.

amother

Apple

Thu, May 16 2024, 8:56 am

One of the things I hear from my siblings who live in Israel is how much easier it is to live on less, compared to me. They don't have sky high tuition, everyone around them also doesn't have any money and they all make do with less. They live a simpler life and they have deliberately made that choice. They could have moved back, but they prefer living where they are and not having the same pressures and need to live the higher lifestyle.
My sister tells me that yes she would earn more if she had moved back, but she would be paying so much more in everything else, she wouldn't be any better off.
I think your expectations are slightly unrealistic. Most people I know in Israel do find it difficult to get a well paying job, particularly if you can't speak the language. It depends on whether the need for any amount of money is more important than the desire for a better job. A lot of people start out in entry level jobs just to begin the job process and work upwards.
When I first started work, I was doing entry level work and barely got paid a few dollars, I worked my way up into management and are now earning much more than that.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Thu, May 16 2024, 11:51 am

amother OP wrote:

I plan on working remotely mostly with US clients. Most alternative health practitioners work mostly on Zoom.
I don’t believe in choosing a miserable and degrading work just to get by but at least I have the luxury of support.
I am looking for any respectable part time work. I do well in client facing roles, however because I have trouble with Hebrew, it seems there are no opportunities. I am not interested in cleaning or babysitting. I did babysit the first few years I was here but I am a professional with plenty of educational background, I have my own child, and I believe I should be doing something that utilizes my skills more, even if it isn’t in the field I am planning on working in.
My husband is in a college program so he can’t go faster. For now he is just looking for some part time work. The college is modeled that the mornings are free for boys to either learn or work. He learnt the first year but went to work after. His work just pays him so little and he does so much for them. He is also fluent in Hebrew as well.
We are not looking to live in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. My understanding is homes are achievable here, being that most people I know live in them. What I don’t understand is the job market here. Someone said you can get 3K a month as if that was a good thing. What does that even cover? I don’t mean to bring someone down I just am shocked at how people accept this status quo and feel fine working endlessly to be barely above water. That being said, who am I to judge being I am provided a “boat” (support).

That was me. And, no, I dint say that was a good amount. You asked how much psrt time jobs made.
Of course its not good. But part time work, you get a part time salary.

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Thu, May 16 2024, 11:55 am

amother OP wrote:

You hopefully will once you and your husband finish learning. For now struggling is just normal.

amother

↑ NeonPurple

Thu, May 16 2024, 11:39 pm

Lets explain more clearly.

You are immigrants. That means you don't have the connections from the elementary school, high school, the army, the neighborhood, extended family. That is how most people find good jobs - not by applying for listings -its word of mouth, you hear about people looking to hire.

You also are not taking into account the fact that you are still students. My brother is making 30k a month, but he started as a student intern 2 years ago on minimum wage. You look for jobs that have room for growth and development and then when you are finished with school you have entry level jobs where you build experience. Once you have that you have a chance to build your experience - the higher level opportunities will open up.

The fact that you are confident about remote work is great - that is where you need to focus your efforts, on getting your name out there. Possibly doing something boring and remote as a supplement . It happens to be a hard time to get a remote job - there where two huge companies in Lakewood that laid off half of there staff - which created lots of people looking for work there, and then less of the jobs come here. The ones that do are specifically looking to save money - and will be more in the 15 -18$ an hour range.

LovesHashem ↓

Fri, May 17 2024, 12:30 am

amother Bluebell wrote:

Yes this. If you didn't have a down payment you'd have to pay rent and try to save up 30% to maybe one day in 20 years you can stop throwing you money to someone else and buy a home and then start paying a mortgage.

Owning a home is a far off dream for so many. You are so incredibly lucky you have no idea. I'd love to be in your position. Where I can afford to invest in a career I love while being supporting and nit having to worry if I'll ever own a home.