Is there a connection between asd and pandas?

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:01 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

Cleaely there are genetic and hereditary components because we see it running in families, but most likely those genes are ones that affect things like detoxification, methylation and immune response. These are the kinds of genes that are not a life sentence like genes for downs syndrome and cystic fibrosis. Rather, they are genes that are highly influenced by environment and lifestyle.

Much of the newer research points to brain inflammation as a major player in asd

https://www.medschool.umarylan......html

https://news.harvard.edu/gazet.....dels/

Fascinating.
It’s true that we are what we eat in a huge way but at the same time having a stressful afternoon as an adhd mom (myself) I could have eaten well and it does help but having learned emotional tolerance was really the life saver for myself and my kids whom I teach too.

So food and environment yes, but emotional regulation and sensory grounding all the more so.

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:11 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

It's not an opinion. It's a fact backed by reams of scientific evidence. Here's a sampling from pubmed

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....7314/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p.....7322/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31273718/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/.....04597

https://www.frontiersin.org/jo...../full

It’s fascinating…thanks for sharing.

I just wonder if it’s possible to become so strict in how we live life if we have a brain that easily gets inflamed.

There has been a lot of research on the treatment of schizophrenia and other severe mental health disorders- that diet literally gets rid of the need of meds. Listen to Andrew Huberman podcast with dr. Chris Palmer, or Jordan Peterson with Chris Palmer.

But- can we expect people who suffer from neurodivergence to live a life sos tract? I wonder.

As an adhd’er I can speak for myself that a clean diet helps a lot but behavioral and spiritual health matter 80% more.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:19 am

amother Stonewash wrote:

I think every human can benefit from emotional regulation skills, and that keeping blood sugar stable by eating solid meals is a great way to keep ourselves regulated throughout the day.
But when we talk about lifestyle and environment affecting genetic expression, it's runs a whole lot deeper than that.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:23 am

amother Stonewash wrote:

Yes, I get it. It becomes a catch 22 at some point. The people who suffer from neurodivergence aren't able to take the steps they need to heal because of their neurodivergence. I totally get it. That's not to say that it can't be done in theory. And there are people doing it. That's part of the reason I so desperately want to try to heal my kids when they're young. And why the toxic lifestyle around us that I have little control over makes me so sad.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. At the end of the day we do what we could. And what works.

amother

Cantaloupe

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:24 am

Chayalle wrote:

I have a brother on the ASD spectrum, and my mother said there was something different in him right away as a newborn, in the hospital (he was her 9th child so she had experience, etc...) I do believe there are genetic links to ASD.

You say this in every thread on the topic
Maybe in YOUR brother’s case it was genetic. That doesn’t mean that most cases are not caused by inflammation, toxins, infectious agents like Lyme strep etc
Autism and pans are at epidemic levels now and no it’s not because of more diagnosing it’s because there is a tremendous environmental factor at play

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:30 am

amother Stonewash wrote:

So this also has me questioning all the anti parasite movement.

If a child is highly sensitive to parasites, mold, dust, and bacteria, then they are going to keep meeting up with issues throughout life unless they go live off the grid and own a farm that grandpa bought for free for them that feeds them til their dying (very lonely cuz no one’s joining them there) day.

Meaning to say highly sensitive kids need to be given tools to emotionally deal with a life on edge because right now it’s pandas or other stuff or pinworms and in 15 years it will be the seminary dorm or the neighbors moldy shower.

I don’t think the answer lies in the physical treatments as much as teaching resilience via emotional tolerance and self acceptance. I may be the odd man out here but the Torah is full of working on our character and only a small amount talks about food and exercise.

Our brain does yes change our body.

I am going the medical route too but am wary of all the 100% focus on physical treatments when these children are set up for a life of suffering if their highly sensitive nature isn’t normalized and skills taught.

Ideally, as we heal we become less sensitive to triggers. That should be part of the peeling back of layers. Likely this population will always be somewhat more susceptible, but if they are aware they can take steps to prevent it and treat it.

For example, if someone knows that parasites trigger their rages or their ocd, they can work on keeping their gut in optimal shape to keep parasites away. They can do scheduled parasite cleanses every six months. And if they feel a flare coming on, they can quickly ask their dr for a prescription for ivermectin.

There are many many things one could do to lessen mold sensitivity, other than just lifelong avoidance. But if they do happen to be triggered by their neighbors moldy shower they can quickly increase supports.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:31 am

amother Cantaloupe wrote:

Also, people can be born with brain inflammation. Maternal immune activation in pregnancy (the mother having a significant infection or other cause for increased and prolonged immune response) is THE biggest predictor of autism in a child.

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:37 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

I hear.

For sure - health of the physical body is so important. Yet, I can say that the emotional health world holds more power then we might think.

Think about Joe dispenzas research.

It’s all confusing but I think we do a disservice to our world when we don’t put 80% effort into emotional healthy attachment, belief system therapy and thus resilience for neuro divergent kids.

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:39 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

And don’t forget about epigenetics.

We can go in circles, guys Very Happy

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:40 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

And also the mother being highly stressed during pregnancy due to having a verbally abusive spouse (maybe untreated asd/adhd/pandas) with no outside help.

The chicken egg thing is always not very comforting.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:41 am

amother Stonewash wrote:

I hear you and I respect that.

Joe dispenza's book is on my to read list Wink

but I'm not sure I'm going to like it.

I also think people need to be at a certain level of health to be able to incorporate emotional regulation or emotional resilience skills. Personally, when my pandas kid flares, every skill is out the window and it's not possible to reason with them whatsoever.

And then when they're not flaring, they don't need to be taught these skills. They have them innately.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:42 am

amother Stonewash wrote:

Correct. There's the hyper-androgenized brain theory of autism for that Wink

(cortisol and other adrenal neuro-hormones that are produced during times of stress have an androgenic effect on the brain)

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:51 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

I believe it runs deeper as in raising children who believe in themselves- are loved. So that if they are finding something very stressful they are able to say ‘hey I need some help now and I’m worthy of getting help. Be it therapy. Be it talking to a good friend. Be it sitting by the water. Be it journaling. Be it talking to a trusted rav. Be it a 10 minute meditation. Be it choosing a diet cleanse. When we teach children to believe in themselves they can grow up changing harmful dynamics of previous generations and eventually modifying future generations behaviors because they were given a loving childhood and are able to discern that they have a Strong internal locus of control.

Btw, parasite cleanses are not supported at all in mainstream medicine. I’m not a conspiracy theorist on mainstream medicine so I’ll leave that option off the table for now.

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:55 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

I hear you and I respect that.

Joe dispenza's book is on my to read list Wink

I hear you. Hugs.

I did find that a lot of my dealing with my crazy anxious pandas kid was working on my self confidence as a mother- believing that I can yes handle him and be firm with him when he tries taking me for crazy rides. Because mom guilt ya know.

In no way am I saying that your son will have a better response if you work on believing you are a good mom. I’m just putting it out there as a tip if it helps anyone.

lol on Joe dispenza.

Well we do know that choosing life and making choices is 90% of our religion. And modern science is quickly chasing it down as the truth.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 9:57 am

amother Stonewash wrote:

I believe it runs deeper as in raising children who believe in themselves- are loved. So that if they are finding something very stressful they are able to say ‘hey I need some help now and I[m worthy of getting help. Be it therapy. Be it talking to a good friend. Be it sitting by the water. Be it journaling. Be it talking to a trusted rav. Be it a 10 minute meditation. Be it choosing a diet cleanse. When we teach children to believe in themselves they can grow up changing harmful dynamics of previous generations and eventually kdlfying future generations behaviors because they were given a loving childhood and are able to discern that they have a Strong internal locus of control.

Btw, parasite cleanses are not supported at all in mainstream medicine. I’m not a conspiracy theorist on mainstream medicine so I’ll leave that option off the table for now.

I'm not sure what you mean by parasite cleanses not being supported by mainstream medicine.
There are scientific ways to test for parasites, scientific evidence for them being a cause of mental health issues, and scientific ways to get rid of them.

amother

Seablue

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 10:05 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

I would love to know more about parasite cleanse and where one can do it

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 10:09 am

amother NeonGreen wrote:

The overall opinion is that most people in developed countries don’t have this.

Sorry but all this media noise drives people bonkers.

Can it happen? Yes. Is it more common for asd children? I believe you when you say it is.

Still there is too much debunking on it going on online for me to go down that route.

The placebo effect is also so confusing.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 10:31 am

amother Stonewash wrote:

Courtesy of sciencedirect:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/.....08007

https://www.sciencedirect.com/.....0097X

This is not to mention the hundred articles on parasites and increased gut permeability or altered gut microbiome, and the effects of increased gut permeability and altered gut microbiome on asd. Connect the dots.

Joe dispenza isn't either accepted by mainstream medicine Wink

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 11:30 am

amother Seablue wrote:

I would love to know more about parasite cleanse and where one can do it

Look up humaworm, Para 1 and 2 from cell core, happy from bioray, dr Dietrich klinghardts parasite protocols. If you have access to a functional or integrative MD you can look into Alinia, ivermectin, mebendazole, pyrantel pamoate

amother

↑ Stonewash ↓

Tue, Mar 05 2024, 1:01 pm

amother NeonGreen wrote:

I respect your research and opinion. From my research it has been debunked unless you are of a minority group that was stricken with it.

Well Joe dispenza is just another human talking about changing your thoughts. Again, parroting chazal.