9 days ideas for meat eaters

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:16 pm

juggling wrote:

If there is such an inyan, okay. Doesn't speak to me, but in circles where it's done lshem shamayim, fine.

But there are restaurants that have siyumim every hour so the diners can order meat guilt-free. I'm sorry, but I think that is really missing the point of the nine days. There's no Torah being celebrated, it's just a machshir for people to enjoy themselves and ignore the chorban.

Exactly. Spoiled, entitled, and missing the entire point.

lovingmother

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:26 pm

I happen to agree with the posters who are against the siyuim/eating fleishig concept/missing the point of the 9 days, but I don't think it's nice to keep putting down someone whose husband is doing it. Let's not spend the 3 weeks and 9 days putting people down over and over.

↑ Ema of 5 ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:35 pm

Cheiny wrote:

She does speak like an adult. There’s nothing in her post to suggest she doesn’t.
It sounds like you’re just trying at all costs to defend someone who looks for attractive but transparent loopholes so as not to have to feel the 9 days and put themselves out even a tad by G-d forbid having to make do with dairy or pareve.

Again you don’t have to agree with it or like it. No one is asking you to. But name calling is not considered adult behavior.
I am not looking for anything. I didn’t say anything about what I do. What my husband does is a legit shita. You don’t like it? So don’t do it. No one has to justify themselves to you or to anyone else. The only being we have to justify our behavior to is Hashem.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:37 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

No, of course no one has to justify what they do to anyone else.

But calling it a legit shita to find a siyum over numerous nights, for learning they didn’t take part in, is not a legit shita, no matter how many misguided men are doing it…

↑ Surrendered

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:38 pm

If eating dairy during the 9 days are meant to make a person remember the churban- what about those who love eating milchig better than fleishig???

For our family, we feel the churban on that week, being that they don't like the food. I hate cooking/baking meals for dairy. It's such a big patchka and not so filling.

↑ Duh ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:41 pm

Cheiny wrote:

This is becoming ridiculous.

You're calling someone else's shita not legit because you never heard of it being a legit shita?

↑ Ema of 5 ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:46 pm

Cheiny wrote:

I will say it again, and then I will no longer engage. There IS an inyan to make or go to a siyum every night. Whether you agree with it or not doesn’t change that. If your rav doesn’t hold that way, that find. But there are plenty of rabbanim and dayanim who do. So again, please stop with the name calling. I’m not sure what it accomplishes.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:46 pm

Duh wrote:

This is becoming ridiculous.

You're calling someone else's shita not legit because you never heard of it being a legit shita?

No. Because it isn’t a legit shita.

↑ Duh ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:50 pm

Cheiny wrote:

No. Because it isn’t a legit shita.

There's a very big rav in my community who goes to a siyum every night during the nine days. I feel bad he's following a shita that's not legit. He should've known to ask here where people really know the truth.

↑ salamanca ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:58 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

I am legitimately trying to understand. How do you describe the word "inyan"? Does this mean that not only is this something you Can do but it is something you Should do?

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:59 pm

Duh wrote:

We’re not talking about a Rov, as you well know, and I’m sure he has his reason for doing so. And I’m sure he has participation in the actual learning.

That does not mean the guys who go strictly to have a good fleishig meal are right.

↑ salamanca ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:03 pm

Cheiny wrote:

We’re not talking about a Rov, as you well know, and I’m sure he has his reason for doing so.

That does not mean the guys who go strictly to have a good fleishig meal are right.

True. There is no way to know what his thought process is. It also could be that he knows that there are some men who would eat meat no matter what, so better to have them go to a siyum (which is better than not going) then just eat meat without the siyum.

↑ yachnabobba ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:06 pm

I’m amazed how a call for filling non meat meals turned into a verbal punch fest. One thing that all chazal all Rabbonim in every strain of Judaism is against is sinas chinam.

↑ salamanca ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:07 pm

Surrendered wrote:

I would think that this falls under the category of lo plug. There is reason why it is a mitzva to have meat on Shabbos and Y"T. Because it gives a person simcha. If a person is in the minority and it doesnt give them simcha, this doesnt mean the rule is faulty.

↑ salamanca ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:08 pm

yachnabobba wrote:

I’m amazed how a call for filling non meat meals turned into a verbal punch fest. One thing that all chazal all Rabbonim in every strain of Judaism is against is sinas chinam.

It is not sina to point out that someone is misguided and frankly, immature.

↑ Cheiny

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:14 pm

salamanca wrote:

Agree. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs if we can’t manage to sacrifice our fussy palates for a few days for the intended purpose.

↑ tichellady

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:25 pm

Surrendered wrote:

so don't make things you love. make simple food like baked potatoes and scrambled eggs

↑ salamanca

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:27 pm

Cheiny wrote:

Agree. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs if we can’t manage to sacrifice our fussy palates for a few days for the intended purpose.

And frankly I don't understand the need to "feel full". (The Rambam said we should never eat until we are full, btw.) Are these men and boys only allowed to eat 3 times a day? Eat fewer calories at each meal and eat more meals a day. I think it's the inflexibility that really gets to me.

↑ yachnabobba ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 8:38 pm

salamanca wrote:

It is not sina to point out that someone is misguided and frankly, immature.

It can be explained gently or attack style.