9 days ideas for meat eaters

juggling ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 12:40 pm

Surrendered wrote:

I'm in the same dilemma. DH and bucherim dont like dairy or parve meals. Some of my Little kids are allergic to milchig. I got so excited to see this thread as I'm also searching for solutions.

This doesn't solve your meal-planning dilemma but you may want to ask a Sheila if your dairy-allergic children can eat meat during the nine days. Obviously every situation is different, but I asked years ago regarding one if my kids who's allergic. My rav not only said she can have meat, he said she *should* have meat, as she needs it for her health.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 12:43 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

Some people don’t get satisfied from dairy or parve.

That’s ridiculous and means they’re spoiled beyond belief.

The purpose of the three weeks and in particular the 9 Days is to feel the churban.

It’s sad that people are so materialistic and involved with the hedonistic and self indulgence that it’s beyond them to deal with food for a few days that isn’t exactly what they love.

And to use Torah learning and a Siyum strictly to be able to indulge themselves is the epitome of twisted values.

We’re not on this earth to satisfy our basest desires. It’s not really too great a sacrifice to settle for dairy and pareve for a few days.

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↑ Ema of 5 ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 12:51 pm

Cheiny wrote:

That’s ridiculous and means they’re spoiledbeyond belief.

The purpose of the three weeks and in particular the 9 Days is to feel the churban.

It’s sad that people are so materialistic and involved with the hedonistic and self indulgence that it’s beyond them to deal with food for a few days that isn’t exactly what they love.

And to use Torah learning and a Siyum strictly to be able to indulge themselves is the epitome of twisted values.

We’re not on this earth to satisfy our basest desires. It’s not really too great a sacrifice to settle for diary and pareve for a few days.

I’m not going to sit here and debate with you. I’m just saying that not everyone gets full. If someone is learning, I see that as a beautiful thing. No one I know he makes a siyum during the 9 days is learning davka to make a siyum. They are learning to learn, and this is when they finish. Some people hold off on making the siyum, others make it now. Our rabbi comes to the siyum my husband or others in his Yeshiva make, so I know he has no issue with it.
Please do me a favor and stop with the name calling just because you don’t agree with what they are doing.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 12:53 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

I was not referring to the legitimate learners.

I think you know well that I’m referring to people who go strictly for the food.

↑ Ema of 5 ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 1:00 pm

Cheiny wrote:

I was not referring to the legitimate learners.

I think you know well that I’m referring to people who go strictly for the food.

Actually, I didn’t know that’s what you meant. The person being misayem is parting of the food just as much as the person NOT being misayem. Like I saod, if the rabbi had an issue with it, he wouldn’t come.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 1:06 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

I’m sure the rabbi isn’t there for the food.

↑ Ema of 5 ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 1:14 pm

Cheiny wrote:

I’m sure the rabbi isn’t there for the food.

I didn’t say he was. But obviously he knows that there are people there are are, and he knows them. If he had a problem with it, he would let his guys know. The fact that he comes, and goes to more than one a week, to me means he’s ok with it.

↑ juggling

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 1:17 pm

Genius wrote:

There is an actual inyan to make a siyum in the nine days. By chassidim for sure. If it’s not your taste, don’t make one.
Thanks for this thread op. I got done good ideas here.

If there is such an inyan, okay. Doesn't speak to me, but in circles where it's done lshem shamayim, fine.

But there are restaurants that have siyumim every hour so the diners can order meat guilt-free. I'm sorry, but I think that is really missing the point of the nine days. There's no Torah being celebrated, it's just a machshir for people to enjoy themselves and ignore the chorban.

effess

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 4:05 pm

My older kids love when we do a sushi bar.
Adds variety, it’s filling and you only take the parts you like.

Soups are not in season but very filling, especially thick ones with lots of vegetables and grains in it like barley, bulger etc.

yachnabobba ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 5:33 pm

Besides for my knee jerk grow up reaction
Here are some ideas
1. Sour dough rolls with hearty tomato bean soup and an omelette
2. Indian style curry and rice
3. Tuna steak with pomme frites and green beans
4. Salmon knishes with mashed potatoes and broccoli
5. Boiled fish stew with potatoes, carrots, etc and a hearty roll to mop up the sauce

salamanca ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 5:46 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

I'm confused because you said your husband' "manages to find a siyum" every night. If someone is learning a mesechta and they just happen to finish during the 9 days, then it's one thing to have the siyum then. But how about all of the other nights? Is he learning 5 mesechtos at once? "Manages to find a siyum" does not sound like he just happened to need to make a siyum each of the 9 days.

This really makes no sense to me, and it is absurd to say that a person cannot be full on dairy on pareve. Frankly if, when I was dating, someone had said to me that I had to cook a fleishig meal every day of the week, (or even if he would be doing the cooking, that amount of money would come out of the budget) I would have moved on.

And yes, I will say that men who say they need a meat meal during the 9 days are babies.

↑ salamanca ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 5:47 pm

juggling wrote:

Don't be sorry. I'm not sorry to agree with you. It's the truth.

↑ Ema of 5 ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 6:20 pm

salamanca wrote:

I mean he goes to a siyum every night. “Manages to find” I just meant sometimes it’s a friend making the siyum and sometimes he’s invited to be part of the minyan. I should have been more clear. He has a legit siyum every night, whether he’s the one making it, his friend, or a friend of a friend.
I don’t understand the need to call people names, especially as an adult. If it’s not something you do or would want to be a part of, then don’t. Are you not an adult though? So speak like an adult.

↑ Genius ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:06 pm

Ema are you chassidish? This is one of the times of year where the difference between chassidim and yeshivish are highlighted. As I said before by chassidim it’s an inyan to make a siyum during the nine days. Which is why chassidish yingeleit will have many siyumim to attend.
It’s ok if you don’t get it, or think it’s babyish or makes people less sad.
The restaurant idea is not my taste either.

↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:11 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

That’s a big assumption.

There’s an inyan of not correcting people you know won’t take your mussar or advice, and that’s likely why he doesn’t take a stance… because he knows the spoiled, self indulgent ones won’t listen.

And there’s a big difference between ‘A’ siyum, and attending numerous ones on different nights so you can eat meat.

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↑ Cheiny ↓

Sun, Jul 09 2023, 7:14 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

She does speak like an adult. There’s nothing in her post to suggest she doesn’t.
It sounds like you’re just trying at all costs to defend someone who looks for attractive but transparent loopholes so as not to have to feel the 9 days and put themselves out even a tad by G-d forbid having to make do with dairy or pareve.