fish and milk | Imamother

mom21n2 ↓

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 1:34 pm

I asked DH why some people do not eat cream cheese together with lox and he said, "What's lox?"

Lady Godiva ↓

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 1:36 pm

The strict Separadim don't mix fish with milk.

tovasmom ↓

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 2:38 pm

It is the opinion of the Rambam (Maimonides) that eating fish and milk together is dangerous to health and should not be eaten (a la meat and fish). There are those that hold that this in incorrect (e.g. a misunderstanding of what the Rambam means) but the sephardic opinion is not to eat it. Before I married dh and learned the sephardic rules (I am sephardic but grew up with ashkenazi influence) I used to love tuna melts Crying

Ruchel ↓

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 2:43 pm

I see tuna/cheese pizza in restaurants owned by Sephardim.

Clarissa

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 2:46 pm

Hold on a second, Ruchel. Tuna pizza? You French people have gone too far this time. C'est repugnant.

↑ tovasmom ↓

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 2:50 pm

Ruchel, I also see lots of restaurants owned by Sephardim who do not use Beit Yosef shechita. Sometimes people don't know. Sometimes they do also what their hashgacha would allow them to do -- I.e., the local hashgachas here are mostly ashkenazi and will allow non-beit yosef or also fish and milk. And if the clientele wants it and the hashgacha allows, that's probably why they do it. The sephardic opinion on bishul akum is also that it is not enough for the Jew to simply turn on the fire to make food preparation by a non-Jew OK, but don't get me started on that one.

↑ mom21n2

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 3:26 pm

Nobody thinks it's odd that he didn't know what lox is?

↑ Lady Godiva ↓

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 4:50 pm

Ruchel wrote:

I see tuna/cheese pizza in restaurants owned by Sephardim.

Some Sephardic people in the US aren't strict with that either.

↑ Lady Godiva

Thu, Jul 10 2008, 4:52 pm

mom21n2 wrote:

Nobody thinks it's odd that he didn't know what lox is?

Yeah...but you said he's Israeli. Maybe they call it something else?
Edit: Woops sorry...I'm in dreamland. Confusing posts... embarrassed

Purple Hug Bunny

Fri, Jul 11 2008, 4:28 pm

of course it's a little odd, wasnt that what the poster was trying to say?

pinkbubbles

Sat, Jul 12 2008, 6:44 pm

tovasmom wrote:

I miss them tooooooooo

Zus

Sat, Jul 12 2008, 7:19 pm

Me too!!
And my DH wouldn't know what lox is either.

I really miss my bagels with cream cheese and lox!!!!!!

tovasmom, what's the deal with bishul akum and sefardic halacha? Now you made me curious.

yo'ma

Sat, Jul 12 2008, 7:31 pm

Here, they call it smoked salmon, or however you say it in spanish.
I know a sefardi who eats milk and fish because his mother is ashkenazi and he keeps a lot of ashkenazi minhagim, including, not eating kitniyot on pesach. I know not all sefardim do.

↑ tovasmom

Sat, Jul 12 2008, 11:55 pm

Okay, Zus, here is the deal, according to the shulchan aruch, according to my understanding --I have not learned this inside myself, this is from dh, who I, (and others, also) consider to be a talmid hacham. Per many ashkenazic opinions, it is sufficient to establish bishul yisrael by turning on the fire for a non-jewish person who is cooking for you, and the non-jewish person is allowed to do the preparation and cooking with that "Jewish fire". This is how many people justify having non-jewish kitchen help/cook/babysitter who prepares for for the family. We do not hold this way. According to the sefardi psak, not only must the jewish person put on the fire, but must do the lion's share of the cooking aspect also -- the non-jewish maid could theoretically chop the veges, but the jewish person has to put the recipe together and cook. I don't know how widespread this is, but some even are more stringent that the cook must also be shomer shabbat. Thus, I have always had a jewish babysitter because of this, aside from hashkafic issues which come with having someone from a different religion taking care of little jewish neshamot.

In most restaurants in NY, I believe that this first opinion is relied upon. However, I have seen people ask that the food be prepared by a jew or ask for a burger "shomer shabbat" and the jew on the premises put the burger on the fire and flipped it.

↑ Ruchel

Sun, Jul 13 2008, 6:47 am

Dunno, most Jews keeping kosher enough to go to a kosher restaurant are definitely not Ashkenazi here... and tuna pizza, yum!!!